The Impeachment Thread

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hUTch2002 said:
Don’t forget Clapper also said he was ordered to make it all public. Given that we now know there was no collusion with the Russians and that all the dirt they “happened upon” from the dossier wasn’t true it comes across as Clapper is nervous about where this is heading. That may not be the case and we will soon see if those guys have anything of substance but that’s how it came across to me. Honestly, I was surprised he was asked the question and certainly surprised at the answer. My gut tells me this will end up just like the Mueller investigation with some random indictments that mean absolutely nothing, perhaps a perjury charge or two, and that’s about it. Well, I could see maybe one lower-level person made the fall guy or gal so that it one ups the Mueller case. I have no idea who that would be but no way Hillary, Biden, Obama, Comey, Clapper, etc. go down here. Maybe Strzok or Page.
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I'm not disagreeing with the inference, but I am saying that it's inference and not "what he said".

The conservatives are quoting inference as fact when it paints the previous administration in a bad light, but stiff-arming inference that would paint Trump in a bad light and pointing out that it's not evidence, just wishes in hand.

Reverse the flow of that for the liberals who paint inference as fact/evidence against Trump while putting blinders on for Obama's administration.

It's all hypocrisy and team colors.
 
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Weezer said:
This cuts both ways. Both sides have been setting dangerous precedents since the beginning of Trump's presidency. What's worse is that each side has been cheered on by their base. No one wants to admit how both sides have pushed this too far, to the point it's completely out of hand.

It's unfair and just wrong to blame one side more than the other. Both sides have perpetuated the bad behavior and should be held accountable, but of course, they never will.
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No. It’s just not. If you think that, you haven’t been paying attention. It’s simply an exercise in personal responsibility.

The whistleblower alleged an attempt to leverage US foreign policy to the president’s personal political advantage and attempting to cover it up.

Trump/Giuliani admitted to asking Ukraine to investigate Biden.
Trump then asked Ukraine (and China) to investigate Biden from the White House lawn. In front of cameras.
Volker’s text messages suggest that there were active measures being taken to condition make clear that relations between US and Ukraine would improve if Ukraine opened this investigation.
The White House has acknowledged moving the call to the server in question.

We are well beyond the degree of proof needed to justify opening an investigation.

The alleged act involves an abuse of office, which they didn’t have for Clinton or Johnson. At this point, there’s more proof than they had on Nixon at the same point in the process.

IIRC, 210 democrats and Amash have publicly voiced support for an impeachment inquiry. There’s been one Republican who voiced support for an investigation. They stopped coming out when Pelosi opened the inquiry because there was no longer a need to pressure her to open an inquiry. The inquiry was opened before the phone memo was released. It was before the complaint was made public. It was before Trump publicly asked Ukraine to help his campaign, and it was before he announced he would obstruct congressional investigations. They need 219 to pass votes thorough the house, IIRC. So the argument that their failure to hold a vote somehow violates due process hangs on Nancy Pelosi’s ability to use the above to whip 7 votes....

The vote itself, has been used to open past impeachment inquiries to establish rules and convey certain powers to the committee chair conducting the investigation. Those Powers were already conferred to those chairs under the rules this (and previous) congresses. Those rules were approved by majority vote.

Half of the public believes Trump should be impeached.

The only bad “precedent” being set is not allowing him to participate in the investigation, which simply makes it just like any criminal investigation in the nation’s history. You don’t have a right to be adversarial during the investigation process. That’s called obstruction.

Oh and I guess we have the allegation that Schiff drafted the complaint being a disqualifying offense. Funny we don’t hold the police or prosecutors to that standard, either. Who do you think drafts warrants and indictments?

It’s all just scrambling to point the finger and say “unfair!” Which is one side setting bad precedent.

Meanwhile, Trump has publicly accused members of the house and Senate of treason, lying, spying... there was a list of like 15 different accusations he’d made floating around earlier. Setting. Bad. Precedent.

The things Trump has done to justify initiation of these proceedings set their own bad precedent.

Additionally, Trump argued that he is immune from criminal investigation due to the constitutional remedy of impeachment. That was, arguably, correct. Now, impeachment is here and he argues that it is illegal and unconstitutional. Essentially he is setting the precedent that the president is above any form of reproach.

This last bit, alone, more than justifies blaming him over the others.

Oh and Mitch McConnel, who will serve as both the administrator of the impeachment court and the foreman of the jury, has already promised an acquittal. Seems like bad precedent but, oddly, I haven’t seen any of the people who can’t move beyond the lionized criminal “justice” mode of due process calling for his recusal.

Seems like this idea that the process is being abused equally by both sides is wholly a result of misinformation put out by one side to provide a permission structure for their base to support abuse of power. Which, again, is one side setting bad precedent.

But I guess Maxine Waters and her psychotic rambling balances that out.
 
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Corrupt DIMs being exposed drip by drip. D5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - And Trump has all the media exposing it. 4D Chess anyone?

Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call

Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call

A newly unearthed document shows that Ukrainian officials had opened a new probe into the firm linked to Hunter Biden months before President Trump's phone call with that country's leader, Fox News contributor John Solomon reported late Tuesday.

Solomon said Tuesday on "Hannity" that the U.S. government knew Ukraine was planning to look again into activities at Burisma Holdings, an energy company that employed then-Vice President Joe Biden's son as a member of its board of directors, early this year. The report is noteworthy because President Trump has been accused by Democrats of threatening in July to withhold foreign aid to Ukraine unless its new president pursued an investigation into the company and the younger Biden's role there.

"The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.

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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Polls don't matter little girl lawyer........Trump says he will not respond to any more corrupt & illegal Impeachment attempt by the fake imposter silly Dem Party.
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Keep on obstructing. It's doing wonders for him, as the polling shows. We'll never get the leg-humpers like you, but sensible independents who were originally opposed to Impeachment are starting to peel off. Obstructing is both impeachable itself and suggests there's lots to hide. Nixon was in way better shape when the impeachment was first broached.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Polls don't matter little girl lawyer........Trump says he will not respond to any more corrupt & illegal Impeachment attempt by the fake imposter silly Dem Party.
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Your Daddy says?
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