The Impeachment Thread

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evillawyer said:
The lack of self-awareness on the insufficiency of written answers is quite stunning.

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As a lawyer, how are things supposed to work? The accused is presumed guilty and needs to testify to prove innocence while never facing their accuser(s)? Or accusers are vetted before their accusations get any traction?

Do you see a difference between someone needing to testify about the unproven accusations they're making about someone else, and the presumed innocent demanding that accusations be ratified?

Help a brother out, counselor.
 
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luthervol said:
Yet........luckily it will only take one.
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This story is definitely resonating more than anything else has up to now. You can see a difference in how Republicans in Congress are treating it. The most respected among them (not talking about the minions, but the respected Republicans who care about their integrity) such as Senators Chuck Grassley, Richard Burr, John Cornyn, Richard Shelby and Pat Toomey aren't going near this story. That is much different than their stance on the Mueller probe.
 
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In a sense this process is really working out the way it should, and getting us to some truth.

There clearly WAS a quid pro quo. Trump is no longer denying it and the administration has sent out some messengers to try some different ways to phrase it. But bottom line there was a quid pro quo.

The process arguments are weak. Trump fanboys will continue to tout those from time to time, but nothing that extraordinarily different has been done this time compared to other times. And none of it overcomes what Trump did.

So finally we are getting to the nub of it: is Trump's misconduct serious enough to remove him from office? That is what its about. That is what it has always been about. Same with Clinton. After awhile it became clear that the truth was that he had an affair and lied to cover it up.

The debate at the end was not about whether he did it. It was about the consequence. And that is where we are now. And it does not surprise me that the answer to that question depends largely on your overall view of Trump, not just in regards to this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
In a sense this process is really working out the way it should, and getting us to some truth.

There clearly WAS a quid pro quo. Trump is no longer denying it and the administration has sent out some messengers to try some different ways to phrase it. But bottom line there was a quid pro quo.

The process arguments are weak. Trump fanboys will continue to tout those from time to time, but nothing that extraordinarily different has been done this time compared to other times. And none of it overcomes what Trump did.

So finally we are getting to the nub of it: is Trump's misconduct serious enough to remove him from office? That is what its about. That is what it has always been about. Same with Clinton. After awhile it became clear that the truth was that he had an affair and lied to cover it up.

The debate at the end was not about whether he did it. It was about the consequence. And that is where we are now. And it does not surprise me that the answer to that question depends largely on your overall view of Trump, not just in regards to this.
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We agree there was, but it was by Joe Biden
 
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So today we have moved from "no quid pro quo!" to "of course there was a quid pro quo, who cares!", and now back to Trump projection "yeah there was a quid pro quo, by Sleepy Joe!" Things moving through the Trump Narcissist's Prayer quickly today.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
So today we have moved from "no quid pro quo!" to "of course there was a quid pro quo, who cares!", and now back to Trump projection "yeah there was a quid pro quo, by Sleepy Joe!" Things moving through the Trump Narcissist's Prayer quickly today.
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The propaganda machine known as @therealdonald twit'ter is in fifth gear.

I think he knows the walls are closing in.

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zeppelin128 said:
So today we have moved from "no quid pro quo!" to "of course there was a quid pro quo, who cares!", and now back to Trump projection "yeah there was a quid pro quo, by Sleepy Joe!" Things moving through the Trump Narcissist's Prayer quickly today.
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Only the most devout Trump supporters in Congress such as Matt Gaetz, Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, Louis Gohmert, Steve Scalise and Kevin McCarthy will try and defend the quid-pro-quo offer itself. They know that it was improper for Trump to withhold Congressionally authorized military aid to the Ukraine, unless Zelenskyy pledged to help investigate a potential political opponent of Donald Trump. The respected members of the Republican party in Congress, will either remain quiet on the matter, or they will say that it was wrong, but doesn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense. There is nothing else for them to say.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Right, that conspiracy by Joe Biden, Obama, a bunch of European countries, and republican senators to protect the great Hunter Biden, which only became an issue once Trump thought it may help him politically.
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The front runner for your partys nom is on video doing to exact same thing you all accusing Trump of.
 
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volfanjustin said:
LOL. That same phrase was repeated 1000 times during the last "investigation"
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It's gonna suck to have 8 straight years of presidential investigations. The only good news is that when the Republicans retake the house, it's going to really, really, really suck to be a democrat.
 
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VolStrom said:
It's gonna suck to have 8 straight years of presidential investigations. The only good news is that when the Republicans retake the house, it's going to really, really, really suck to be a democrat.
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I would think it would suck to be one now, because of the type of people that you have to grovel to in order to get their vote. I mean, you have to suck up to some seriously f****d people.
 
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