The Impeachment Thread

[1972 Grad]

Nothing will be better than watching Trump removed from the White House by the Secret Service when he refuses to leave after being beaten in the Electoral College vote.

You're insane if you believe that .

 

[1972 Grad]

The impeachment of Bill Clinton was also never popular with the American people. The current polls on impeaching Trump are much different.

I wonder why? And there were even actual charges and laws broken by Clinton.

 

[ajvol01]

The hypocrisy speaks for itself. Republicans saw nothing wrong with a party line impeachment vote in 1998, so you can't complain about it now.

Impeachment will guarantee Trump’s 2nd term along with a Republican majority in both the House and Senate.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

The impeachment of Bill Clinton was also never popular with the American people. The current polls on impeaching Trump are much different.

Whataboutisms it is then

 

[BowlBrother85]

Impeachment will guarantee Trump’s 2nd term along with a Republican majority in both the House and Senate.

No, it doesn't and that is the point. The current polls show that impeachment is popular with the American public. You are only giving your own individual perspective.

 

[0nelilreb]

The impeachment of Bill Clinton was also never popular with the American people. The current polls on impeaching Trump are much different.

Let’s watch how it plays out during the 2020 campaign. I don’t see a problem , you have us in a recession by September of next year , a horrific president with falling poll numbers that may or may not be removed and Biden for the win .

 

[BowlBrother85]

Whataboutisms it is then

In this instance, "whataboutism" is a political reality. Republicans did the same thing in 1998. It set a precedent going forward.

 

[VolnJC]

Which statute did she violate?

Using state department employees to investigate American citizens without a warrant

 

[RockyTop85]

Using state department employees to investigate American citizens without a warrant

Tom Fitten thinks the government needs a warrant to view Facebook posts? I don’t think so.
What statute?

 

[ajvol01]

No, it doesn't and that is the point. The current polls show that impeachment is popular with the American public. You are only giving your own individual perspective.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Using state department employees to investigate American citizens without a warrant

Interesting. Did Donald Trump obtain a warrant to investigate Joe Biden? Because he certainly was tasking the Attorney General of the United States with investigating the Bidens (who are both just regular American citizens since 2017).

 

[zeppelin128]

Let’s watch how it plays out during the 2020 campaign. I don’t see a problem , you have us in a recession by September of next year , a horrific president with falling poll numbers that may or may not be removed and Biden for the win .

This isn't entirely accurate...

 

[RockyTop85]

Interesting. Did Donald Trump obtain a warrant to investigate Joe Biden? Because he certainly was tasking the Attorney General of the United States with investigating the Bidens (who are both just regular American citizens since 2017).

I want to know what Judge signs off on his Twitter usage every day? If I @ him can I then sue for a 1983 violation if he didn’t have a warrant to view my tweet?

 

[zeppelin128]

You're insane if you believe that .

Excuse me for not trusting the pathological liar that loves dictators and has said before that maybe we need that in the US.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I want to know what Judge signs off on his Twitter usage every day? If I @ him can I then sue for a 1983 violation if he didn’t have a warrant to view my tweet?

Yes, this is a stretch. The right is desperately trying to discredit some witnesses. They will have to do better than this, though. This is ridiculous.

 

[hUTch2002]

Notice how some of Trump's defenders are starting to shift from "there was no quid-pro-quo" to "it's not an impeachable offense". In light of Trump insisting for a month that there was no quid-pro-quo offer made to Zelensky, that will be a tough sell. Why deny that it happened, if there was nothing wrong with it?

The better question is why is it ok for Biden, who is on video admitting it, to do it and continue running for President if it is so wrong? And so far there still is no evidence of any quid pro quo by Trump, just conjecture.

 

[hUTch2002]

Right, that conspiracy by Joe Biden, Obama, a bunch of European countries, and republican senators to protect the great Hunter Biden, which only became an issue once Trump thought it may help him politically.

Enlighten us then, what exactly was Joe talking about when he said you have 6 hours to fire the prosecutor?

 

[BowlBrother85]

The better question is why is it ok for Biden, who is on video admitting it, to do it and continue running for President if it is so wrong? And so far there still is no evidence of any quid pro quo by Trump, just conjecture.

There is proof out the ying yang of a quid-pro-quo offer from Trump. He was withholding military aid to the Ukraine until Zelenskyy committed to investigating the Bidens and Hillary Clinton's server. The Biden video has been explained many times. I'm not doing it again.

 

[C-south]

There is proof out the ying yang of a quid-pro-quo offer from Trump. He was withholding military aid to the Ukraine until Zelenskyy committed to investigating the Bidens and Hillary Clinton's server.

YGHN. Open and shut.

 

[hUTch2002]

It might take a minute, but Parnas will surely be accused of working for the Bidens.

Actually, what’ll happen is Les will deliver “bombshell” testimony that is “extremely damaging” to Trump and every bit of it will either be taken out of context, conjecture, and basically anything but one shred of evidence that Trump did anything wrong. You know, the usual. By the way, when will Dr Ford be testifying? Oh wait, that was the Kavanaugh thing. It’s hard to keep all these BS hearings straight.

 

[Weezer]

The impeachment of Bill Clinton was also never popular with the American people. The current polls on impeaching Trump are much different.

What does popularity have to do with breaking the law? Or are you suggesting Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath when he denied a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky? Or that he didn't encourage her to lie about it as well? Clear cut perjury and obstruction, and he wasn't removed from office. I'm not opposed to a Trump impeachment, but I've yet to see evidence as damning as that in the Clinton case presented. And considering the actual guilt of Clinton, and the refusal of the Dems to remove him from office because of that guilt, I question how anyone can be upset if the GOP controlled Senate refuses to own up to any guilt on Trump's part. That's what politics has become. If your okay with how things went in the Clinton case, I'm not sure how you can be opposed to nothing happening to Trump. Hell, Clinton even admitted his guilt. But some people are above the law.

If you want Trump out of office, beat him in the election. At this point, the Dems are just as guilty of tearing the system apart as Trump, if not more so. At least IMO.

 

[hUTch2002]

There is proof out the ying yang of a quid-pro-quo offer from Trump. He was withholding military aid to the Ukraine until Zelenskyy committed to investigating the Bidens and Hillary Clinton's server. The Biden video has been explained many times. I'm not doing it again.

You’re right. You called it a conspiracy theory so it’s all explained. My bad.

 

[Weezer]

There is proof out the ying yang of a quid-pro-quo offer from Trump. He was withholding military aid to the Ukraine until Zelenskyy committed to investigating the Bidens and Hillary Clinton's server. The Biden video has been explained many times. I'm not doing it again.

Can you please link me to this proof? Everything I've read seems more like personal interpretation of events or hearsay. If concrete evidence exists, I'd like to see it. And no, I'm not being an ass. I'm open to the argument of impeachment, but show me definitive proof. I've not seen that presented yet.

 

[zeppelin128]

What does popularity have to do with breaking the law? Or are you suggesting Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath when he denied a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky? Or that he didn't encourage her to lie about it as well? Clear cut perjury and obstruction, and he wasn't removed from office. I'm not opposed to a Trump impeachment, but I've yet to see evidence as damning as that in the Clinton case presented. And considering the actual guilt of Clinton, and the refusal of the Dems to remove him from office because of that guilt, I question how anyone can be upset if the GOP controlled Senate refuses to own up to any guilt on Trump's part. That's what politics has become. If your okay with how things went in the Clinton case, I'm not sure how you can be opposed to nothing happening to Trump. Hell, Clinton even admitted his guilt. But some people are above the law.

If you want Trump out of office, beat him in the election. At this point, the Dems are just as guilty of tearing the system apart as Trump, if not more so. At least IMO.

This comparison of Trump to Clinton gets really old. Some of us were still playing with action figures and watching cartoons when the Clinton impeachment trial was ongoing.

Did Trump do something to warrant impeachment? This is the question. What does Bill have to do with any of it?

 

[BowlBrother85]

What does popularity have to do with breaking the law? Or are you suggesting Bill Clinton didn't lie under oath when he denied a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky? Or that he didn't encourage her to lie about it as well? Clear cut perjury and obstruction, and he wasn't removed from office. I'm not opposed to a Trump impeachment, but I've yet to see evidence as damning as that in the Clinton case presented. And considering the actual guilt of Clinton, and the refusal of the Dems to remove him from office because of that guilt, I question how anyone can be upset if the GOP controlled Senate refuses to own up to any guilt on Trump's part. That's what politics has become. If your okay with how things went in the Clinton case, I'm not sure how you can be opposed to nothing happening to Trump. Hell, Clinton even admitted his guilt. But some people are above the law.

If you want Trump out of office, beat him in the election. At this point, the Dems are just as guilty of tearing the system apart as Trump, if not more so. At least IMO.

Impeachment is by its nature a political process. Of course, the underlying offense is central to the process, but you can't remove the political element. You have politicians deciding the political fate of a fellow politician. Individual biases and party affiliation will always be important. The ability for a politician to remain popular with their constituency following a high profile vote, such as impeachment, is of course, going to have political considerations - and that is where polls come into play. After being impeached in 1998, Bill Clinton's approval ratings went way up and Newt Gingrich's went way down. Gingrich left office in January of 1999. He was basically forced out by his fellow Republicans in the House, who could see that he had overreached with impeachment. They should have settled on a censure.

If you haven't seen any damning evidence of Trump's abuse of power and the bribery of a foreign leader? It's because you aren't looking for it.