The Impeachment Thread

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Stew Cook said:
This isn't going away, and it shouldn't. Most indicators suggest he'll be beaten at the ballot box, although he won't have a coaxed public televised statement from Ukraine's president, declaring an investigation into the Bidens to help him. And don't think it wasn't going to happen before Congress smacked Trump's hand.
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I think you're right, these "investigations" aren't going away anytime soon. This particular one will die out in another month or so then they will be onto something else, they will continue the pattern all the way up to election day.

All indications were he was going to be beaten at the ballot box in 2016.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I think she is relevant. There is more than just the call, although she was a subject of the call.

Rudy running around trying to discredit (smearing) her, with no evidence, the State Dept telling her she was in danger and to get out of the Ukraine. Trump saying "she is going to go through some things".

Nothing seems relevant?
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So we’re impeaching Rudy?

No she isn’t relevant if she doesn’t have direct bearing on the issue of your quid pro quo/extortion/bribery/mattress tag removal/jay walking scandal.
 
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Septic said:
Just so we're clear is it that the GOP doesn't think he's guilty or is that they don't care?

Perhaps a litmus test of intellectual honesty would be to put Clinton in Trumps spot - had she done something similar, would they call her corrupt and unelectable?

oh wait.
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Yes they would and Dems would claim she did nothing wrong
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So we’re impeaching Rudy?

No she isn’t relevant if she doesn’t have direct bearing on the issue of your quid pro quo/extortion/bribery/mattress tag removal/jay walking scandal.
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One of the Republican talking points/defenses is that this was just Trump being trump, that is, a big fat impulsive imbecilic idiot. But her removal goes towards showing that this was part of a plan to replace the formal traditional diplomacy that was in place with a shadow diplomacy by Rudy and sundland that would allow Trump to get his conjured up dirt on Biden and energy deals for Rudy's boys.

And remember, Rudy has already said everything he did in Ukraine was on behalf of Trump. He is Trump's agent/proxy
 
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RockyTop85 said:
“Russia collusion hoax;” “Mueller = democrat obstruction;” “3 years of dim obstruction...”

All buzzwords and headlines with no underlying substance. Which is why all you can do when confronted with the inconvenient facts is make inconsistent rebuttals and huff out some emojis and feign exasperation.

You’re missing the point about Trump’s golf, but that’s nbd it was mostly a throwaway comment making fun of you for complaining about his time being wasted.
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BS. I called it a hoax because I consider it to be a hoax. Your incorrect inference is on you. Pay closer attention or make better arguments? Because you’re still trying to dress up and sell the same bad initial rebuttal and conflation you did on the continual Dim obstruction.

No you can’t sell the point on Trumps golf cost and there are so much easier arguments to make on it like the tweets he made accusing Barry of doing exactly what he does himself. The whole cost thing isn’t under his control and he isn’t expected to be a hermit.
 
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evillawyer said:
One of the Republican talking points/defenses is that this was just Trump being trump, that is, a big fat impulsive imbecilic idiot. But her removal goes towards showing that this was part of a plan to replace the formal traditional diplomacy that was in place with a shadow diplomacy by Rudy and sundland that would allow Trump to get his conjured up dirt on Biden and energy deals for Rudy's boys.
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Good luck proving that premise.
 
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evillawyer said:
She was mentioned on the call for one. There are loony conspiracy theories surrounding her that are trying to be used to explain her removal. Those need to be debunked, which she did. More fundamentally though, her removal was made to create a vacuum in which Trump and guilianis shadow diplomacy could operate in. That has come out already from Taylor and Kent's testimony, and will be further substantiated by others.
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LMAO! Ok...

Her entire spiel was a waste of time.
 
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evillawyer said:
One of the Republican talking points/defenses is that this was just Trump being trump, that is, a big fat impulsive imbecilic idiot. But her removal goes towards showing that this was part of a plan to replace the formal traditional diplomacy that was in place with a shadow diplomacy by Rudy and sundland that would allow Trump to get his conjured up dirt on Biden and energy deals for Rudy's boys.

And remember, Rudy has already said everything he did in Ukraine was on behalf of Trump. He is Trump's agent/proxy
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LMAO again.
 
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Watching Trump's reaction to all of this, twitter and otherwise, its just very disturbing. He is a spiteful, hateful, insecure little man. I cannot understand how anyone would work for him, realizing that in a split second he will turn on you and accuse you of all sorts of terrible things.

The guy is just flat out a jerk.
 
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evillawyer said:
She was mentioned on the call for one. There are loony conspiracy theories surrounding her that are trying to be used to explain her removal. Those need to be debunked, which she did. More fundamentally though, her removal was made to create a vacuum in which Trump and guilianis shadow diplomacy could operate in. That has come out already from Taylor and Kent's testimony, and will be further substantiated by others.
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That's what I understood today. And also there is this mess about the business deal:
Giuliani’s associates tried to cut business deal in Ukraine boasting of Trump ties

Edit: and obviously Trump did know Rudy's thugs because lo and behold Bad news ambassador was fired as the thugs predicted.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Watching Trump's reaction to all of this, twitter and otherwise, its just very disturbing. He is a spiteful, hateful, insecure little man. I cannot understand how anyone would work for him, realizing that in a split second he will turn on you and accuse you of all sorts of terrible things.

The guy is just flat out a jerk.
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You just come to that realization? I thought you've been screeching that since 2016.
 
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AirVol said:
How do you know he has no evidence? Hope he testifies.
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Rudy testify under oath? He would bury himself and Trump within the first 5 minutes. Never going to happen.
I wish the whistle blower's lawyer would come out and publicly say that he/she would gladly testify if Rudy and Trump would testify under oath.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
BS. I called it a hoax because I consider it to be a hoax. Your incorrect inference is on you. Pay closer attention or make better arguments? Because you’re still trying to dress up and sell the same bad initial rebuttal and conflation you did on the continual Dim obstruction.

No you can’t sell the point on Trumps golf cost and there are so much easier arguments to make on it like the tweets he made accusing Barry of doing exactly what he does himself. The whole cost thing isn’t under his control and he isn’t expected to be a hermit.
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Still no facts. You consider it to be a hoax. Well THAT’s convincing...

You believe that because you read the catchy headlines that said it was a hoax and that felt good to you so you believe it.

Why would I need to dress anything up when I and others have pointed out the inconvenient facts and your only response is a string of emojis and, now it seems, to get angry and defensive?

At one point I think I read Trump was on pace to spend more days golfing in just his first 4 years than Obama did in 8. No idea if that remains true, but clearly his time is important.
 
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luthervol said:
Rudy testify under oath? He would bury himself and Trump within the first 5 minutes. Never going to happen.
I wish the whistle blower's lawyer would come out and publicly say that he/she would gladly testify if Rudy and Trump would testify under oath.
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It doesn’t matter in this kangaroo court.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So we’re impeaching Rudy?

No she isn’t relevant if she doesn’t have direct bearing on the issue of your quid pro quo/extortion/bribery/mattress tag removal/jay walking scandal.
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The articles of impeachment are not for Quid Pro Quo, they are for abuse of power. Rudy is an apparent instrument of this abuse. And yes, she is relevant in more than one respect.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So we’re impeaching Rudy?

No she isn’t relevant if she doesn’t have direct bearing on the issue of your quid pro quo/extortion/bribery/mattress tag removal/jay walking scandal.
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Of course she's relevant. She is showing how corrupt Trump is and his willingness to circumvent normal/legal procedures for the sole purpose of personal benefit.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Watching Trump's reaction to all of this, twitter and otherwise, its just very disturbing. He is a spiteful, hateful, insecure little man. I cannot understand how anyone would work for him, realizing that in a split second he will turn on you.

The guy is just flat out a jerk.
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