The Impending Doom For the BCS That Is Boise State...

#26
#26
TrueOrange said:
for 16 teams; the problem is look how many are currently making money on this system; you can't just cut the rest of the -what's it 32 bowl teams now? - out now and say "sorry"

the problem is making money for all the schools, not which would get more viewership

and show me where that idea has been proven other than "well more people would watch since they want a playoff" or "more people would watch since there's less college football on"

it's the bowl game's payout, it's the sponsorship payout, it's the television deal w/ the bowl game's payout

EDIT: it's 52 other school teams currently
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You can still include the bowl system in a playoff system. If you don't qualify, you can still make it to a bowl game.
 
#27
#27
"It stands to reason that OU can beat Texas."- OP.

Dont write that on the wall with a sharpie.
 
#28
#28
If we are stuck with the current system, which I'm sure that there's a 95% we are, I'd kind of like to see a few things changed............

1. Go back to the 4 bowl rotation. We've reduced the other bowls to mean little more than toilet paper. Or if we're going to have 5 bowls, add the Cotton Bowl and get rid of the BCS NCG as a standalone bowl.

2. If a mid-major goes 12-0 or 13-0, they deserve a shot at a national championship. If there are 3 or more undefeated teams, there needs to be an extra game added to the end of the schedule(essentially a +1) 2 weeks after the BCS bowl games.

3. Make Notre Dame join a conference. I know that it's not going to happen, but I want to see it.

4. All BCS teams should schedule at least 1 BCS OOC team.

5. I propose for all BCS bowl games to be played on January 1st and 2nd.

6. It's not fair that the SEC, Big XII, and ACC have to play each other in a conference championship game. All conferences should either do one of two things; add a conference championship game, or have a round robin schedule(ala Pac-10 and Big East)
 
#29
#29
I actually think it would be good for the game to have Boise state in the title game. I keep thinking back to all the underdogs who have had made it to title games in other sports, and it is always fun to see those teams get a shot. Boise state could def win in a one game scenario
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#30
#30
I don't see Boise State slipping up the rest of the way.

It'll be fairly hard to justify moving a one loss team ahead of them looking at the ones directly behind them in either poll, especially if Oregon is in competition for or wins the Pac 10 title.

About the only way it wouldn't happen is if the computer polls ranked them very low consistently (assuming 3 of the 4 above them lose).

I'm not saying I like it or that they deserve it. It is how the system is set-up. I do think that for any playoff proponent (like myself) that you should cheer for it because it's probably the ONLY way we'll make the next step towards a 4-8-or 16 team playoff.
 
#31
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kptvol said:
In what way? Do you not like the idea of even attempting to name a National Champion?
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TrueOrange said:
Right....cause it made so much sense for a number 1 michigan team to have to play a number 8 Washington St team rather than the number 2 team.

Or for a Florida St. to beat UF, but them to play again two games later and by splitting the year's series 1-1, UF to be declared champion

:crazy:
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I would rather them not hang the aegis of "The National Championship Game" on one of the bowl games at all than what they do now. At least in the old days it was just nakedly a beauty pageant -- you played all the games, and then they voted for the team who was prettiest. Under the BCS, just about every year multiple teams have an essentially equivalent claim to being in the game -- last year there were what, four? -- but only two get in, and now there's a false legitimacy conferred on that game that you didn't use to have in the old days.

My basic complaint with the BCS is that it has destroyed what used to be the High Holy Day of Football -- January 1 -- but in return, it has not increased the fairness and legitimacy of the so-called national championship, and it hasn't done anything to decrease the controversy around it. In fact it's made it worse.

Plus there's the issue of what it's done to all the other, non-title game bowls. Virginia Tech/Cincinnati? Georgia/Hawaii? Louisville/Wake Forest? Utah/Pittsburgh? Just about every year there's one complete clunker of a matchup. And the games are spread out over a week now. The aggregate level of Football Viewing Goodness has gone down with the BCS, and we don't have a really legitimate championship to show for it.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
LOL yeah just like they were against Oklahoma! Wait...
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That's pretty much what I'm thinking.

The hatred for mid-majors on this forum is almost astounding. If Boise State goes undefeated, and wins in a convincing fashion vs. the rest of their schedule, they should play for the national championship. If they do what I just said, they deserve the opportunity.
 
#35
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nickknx865 said:
That's pretty much what I'm thinking.

The hatred for mid-majors on this forum is almost astounding. If Boise State goes undefeated, and wins in a convincing fashion vs. the rest of their schedule, they should play for the national championship. If they do what I just said, they deserve the opportunity.
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If somebody feels that way about mid-majors, they won't change. Boise or MWC teams could keep winning BCS games for the next decade but they still won't get auto bids. Meanwhile the ACC, Big East and Big Ten retain their bids. Such is the BC$.
 
#36
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the.one.the.only said:
LOL yeah just like they were against Oklahoma! Wait...
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Oklahoma was sleepwalking in that game, still dominated most of it, and it still took two for-the-ages trick plays for Boise to win. Oklahoma was completely uninspired by the matchup. If that game had been for the title, Oklahoma would have destroyed them.

I don't hate mid-majors at all, but I do think it would be ridiculous for a team with Boise's resume (assuming they go undefeated) to be considered a national championship contender. The SEC is as down as it's been in what, a decade? And yet there are still five or six SEC teams that would probably go undefeated against Boise's schedule. The WAC is awful.

And yet it's obviously unfair that mid-major teams have literally no shot at the championship at all. This is why there needs to be a playoff. It would be ludicrous for Boise to be put in a winner-take-all title game, IMO, but I'd have no problem with them getting into an eight-team tournament as the 8 seed.
 
#37
#37
If TCU goes undefeated I can see them passing Boise St. in the polls. Anyone remember the Poinsettia bowl last year? It's crap TCU was ranked below them in the polls to begin with.
 
#38
#38
If you don't want Boise State or TCU type teams in the championship game, get a play off. It's simply unfair to give them no path to a championship.

Boise State is playing a big OOC team most years, just like they were told they needed to. They've won a BCS bowl recently, too. If they run the table and no other two BCS teams have, they deserve a shot- even if they get destroyed, they still deserve a shot..
 
#39
#39
The hypocrisy that stonewalls a change over to a college playoff system is the same one that stops teams like Boise from the same consideration as the major teams. While I to a point agree Boise has schedule weakness technically SOS isn't part of the equasion. So in short Boise has to schedule a who's who of top 5 power houses as non conference games (and win convincingly) to get equal consideration. Therefore Boise and other teams like them in my opinion are being discriminated against unfairly. So it really boils down to the golden rule...He who has the gold makes the rules!
 
#40
#40
But honestly, if your a BCS school why would you want to put a Boise St or TCU on your schedule? I'm sure getting BCS schools to play them is a challenge in itself.
 
#41
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dan4vols said:
The hypocrisy that stonewalls a change over to a college playoff system is the same one that stops teams like Boise from the same consideration as the major teams. While I to a point agree Boise has schedule weakness technically SOS isn't part of the equasion. So in short Boise has to schedule a who's who of top 5 power houses as non conference games (and win convincingly) to get equal consideration. Therefore Boise and other teams like them in my opinion are being discriminated against unfairly. So it really boils down to the golden rule...He who has the gold makes the rules!
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we can thank Southern Cal and ESPN for that one being thrown out
 
#43
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nickknx865 said:
You can still include the bowl system in a playoff system. If you don't qualify, you can still make it to a bowl game.
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That's gonna be hard; I know the compromise option is there, but the big issue would be keeping all these sponsors still on for those games after they're told their pretty meaningless game just became as meaningless as it could ever be.

But my main issue is whatever you decide on doing, the polls made by the coaches and the media need to be done away with as the main sources of rankings and determinants
 
#44
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Vercingetorix said:
My basic complaint with the BCS is that it has destroyed what used to be the High Holy Day of Football -- January 1 -
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You have to think that was coming regardless. You expect more viewers if you put a game alone, on primetime, with no other big games on at a competing time.
 
#46
#46
Vercingetorix said:
I would rather them not hang the aegis of "The National Championship Game" on one of the bowl games at all than what they do now. At least in the old days it was just nakedly a beauty pageant -- you played all the games, and then they voted for the team who was prettiest. Under the BCS, just about every year multiple teams have an essentially equivalent claim to being in the game -- last year there were what, four? -- but only two get in, and now there's a false legitimacy conferred on that game that you didn't use to have in the old days.

My basic complaint with the BCS is that it has destroyed what used to be the High Holy Day of Football -- January 1 -- but in return, it has not increased the fairness and legitimacy of the so-called national championship, and it hasn't done anything to decrease the controversy around it. In fact it's made it worse.

Plus there's the issue of what it's done to all the other, non-title game bowls. Virginia Tech/Cincinnati? Georgia/Hawaii? Louisville/Wake Forest? Utah/Pittsburgh? Just about every year there's one complete clunker of a matchup. And the games are spread out over a week now. The aggregate level of Football Viewing Goodness has gone down with the BCS, and we don't have a really legitimate championship to show for it.
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Part of that comes from the alterations that had to be made after the demand that schools like Utah and Boise should be able to get into the BCS. The addition of the "fifth game" wasn't as well thought through as it should have been. It was designed giving ND a lower guaranteed entrance ranking as well as some of the midmajors. However, if ND's bad, you get stuck with two midmajors and just conference champion vs at large, which is often hard to make a decent matchup

(if anything I think the two at large midmajors should play each other, or the "no more than 2 teams from each conference" rule to prevent favoritism should be edited)

But the inclusion of a 5th game pretty much made it all conference champion vs an at large team (save the rose bowl b/c that's the only way to make them stop crying)



and actually, Louisville/Wake forest you've got hold to the conferences. The Big east and ACC both had downyears and those were the teams that came out as champions.

Personally, I'm glad they just bunched that one together so that the other games weren't messed with. Va tech and cincy that case too, both were their conference champions.
 
#48
#48
the days of people not taking boise seriously are long gone. my guess is the next bcs they get into they get killed.
 
#49
#49
droski said:
yeah just take a look at Florida's schedule and results. clearly they deserve to be ranked #1.
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I was talking about back in 03 when the SOS component caused LSU to jump USC into the national title game, and USC and the AP and ESPN complained all offseason about how unfair it was till the people in charge of the BCS got rid of the SOS component

course had it happened to someone who wasnt Southern Cal.....no I'm not going to go in that direction right now
 
#50
#50
the didn't get rid of it at all they just changed the % the computer polls played in the equation.
 
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