The Impending Doom For the BCS That Is Boise State...

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nickknx865 said:
If we are stuck with the current system, which I'm sure that there's a 95% we are, I'd kind of like to see a few things changed............

1. Go back to the 4 bowl rotation. We've reduced the other bowls to mean little more than toilet paper. Or if we're going to have 5 bowls, add the Cotton Bowl and get rid of the BCS NCG as a standalone bowl.

2. If a mid-major goes 12-0 or 13-0, they deserve a shot at a national championship. If there are 3 or more undefeated teams, there needs to be an extra game added to the end of the schedule(essentially a +1) 2 weeks after the BCS bowl games.

3. Make Notre Dame join a conference. I know that it's not going to happen, but I want to see it.

4. All BCS teams should schedule at least 1 BCS OOC team.

5. I propose for all BCS bowl games to be played on January 1st and 2nd.

6. It's not fair that the SEC, Big XII, and ACC have to play each other in a conference championship game. All conferences should either do one of two things; add a conference championship game, or have a round robin schedule(ala Pac-10 and Big East)
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I think SOS needs to be an active component again and heck maybe even the whole "quality wins idea" but i'm still back and forth on the latter

1&3 i agree on alot; the 5th game was done in a favoritism way so that notre dame could get in with a lower ranking, and when they're good the matchups work well, but when they're not -like the last 3-4 years - the matchups suck.

Perhaps they should reconsider - if they plan on keeping a 5th game - the "only 2 teams from each conference rule" b/c with an extra game, i doubt you're going to have to worry about the say people taking a bigger name ohio state team over a one loss ole miss or someone....there's got to be a way to word it so 3 can come in but base/history favoritism wont get in the way, just dont know how to word it
 
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droski said:
the didn't get rid of it at all they just changed the % the computer polls played in the equation.
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yes they did that too, but i could have sworn they got rid of SOS also


yep, looked it up they did: up till 03, the rankings were determined by poll average, computer average, Strength of schedule, and losses.


Criticism from USC, the media, and others supporting USC in 03 about the human polls not being weighed heavier than the computer polls (i believe at the time it was near even), it changed to AP, Coaches, and computer polls, and then went to place twice as much emphasis on the human polls
 
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kptvol said:
You have to think that was coming regardless. You expect more viewers if you put a game alone, on primetime, with no other big games on at a competing time.
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But it wasn't inevitable that all the major bowls would be tied up into a TV contract with one network, which is what killed Jan 1. Once the BCS turned them all into a big package deal, dribbling them out over a week did become sort of a foregone conclusion.

Imagine if CBS did the Sugar Bowl, NBC had the Rose Bowl (as it was the case for something like 30 years), and ABC/ESPN had the rights to the Fiesta and Orange Bowls. They're competing for viewers rather than trying to just maximize the total number for all the bowls. All of them would be jockeying for position for the most desirable time slot, not just stretching the games out for the maximum total number of hours over a week.
 
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I've never seen a team get as much run from one game as Boise State has for their fluke win over Oklahoma.

Why does no one ever mention their last two bowl results against those perennial powerhouses East Carolina & TCU?
 
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tidwell said:
I've never seen a team get as much run from one game as Boise State has for their fluke win over Oklahoma.

Why does no one ever mention their last two bowl results against those perennial powerhouses East Carolina & TCU?
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they'd say it's simply because - OH MY GOD LOOK! IT'S A STATUE OF LIBERTY PLAY! :crazy:

:)
 
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TrueOrange said:
and actually, Louisville/Wake forest you've got hold to the conferences. The Big east and ACC both had downyears and those were the teams that came out as champions.

Personally, I'm glad they just bunched that one together so that the other games weren't messed with. Va tech and cincy that case too, both were their conference champions.
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Back in the old days, you would never have seen a matchup as crappy as Louisville/Wake or VPI/Cincinnati in a major bowl. No bowl committee would have agreed to it.
 
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kptvol said:
Great. They played the worst Oklahoma team in forever, who happened to sleepwalk through 40 minutes of the football game and they still needed about four miracles to win.
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If I remember correctly........

1. That Oklahoma team had Adrian Peterson. They couldn't have been as bad as you say.

2. I remember that Boise State was pretty much dominating that game up until the final quarter.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Back in the old days, you would never have seen a matchup as crappy as Louisville/Wake or VPI/Cincinnati in a major bowl. No bowl committee would have agreed to it.
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good. cause in 2005 we really needed to see the virginia tech and miami teams with 2 and 3 losses - neither of which won their conference - playing in a BCS game.

Postseason play is supposed to be about rewarding the good teams that year, not pushing the brand names w/ history. If what's supposed to be a bigger conference plays terribly and that's the end result, the fuss needs to be with the conference

....and you cant have a yes/no switch with some conferences

and that year instead of that Texas USC rose bowl national championship that we got, the old system would have had USC play ohio state, texas playing Bama or LSU or the at large notre dame
 
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tvolsfan said:
Just wait until someone good actually takes Boise State seriously. Oklahoma certainly didn't. If they somehow make the title game, Florida/Alabama will.
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And what happens when Boise State wins. Then the people who hate on the mid-majors will make up more excuses.
 
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nickknx865 said:
If I remember correctly........

1. That Oklahoma team had Adrian Peterson. They couldn't have been as bad as you say.

2. I remember that Boise State was pretty much dominating that game up until the final quarter.
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I think "Oklahoma sleepwalking through the first 40 minutes" covered that.

And if I remember correctly, OU was playing a guy at QB who previously spent time as a wide receiver.
 
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tidwell said:
I think "Oklahoma sleepwalking through the first 40 minutes" covered that.

And if I remember correctly, OU was playing a guy at qB who finished his career there as a wide receiver.
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You talking about Paul Thompson? He wasn't a bad QB. Just was better/more needed at wideout.

I'm still baffled as to how people can say that Boise will get destroyed in a BCS bowl if they play. It's not like you know that. Hell, they sleepwalked through the Oregon game this year. The same Duck team that just annihilated the #6 team in the country.
 
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nickknx865 said:
If I remember correctly........

1. That Oklahoma team had Adrian Peterson. They couldn't have been as bad as you say.

2. I remember that Boise State was pretty much dominating that game up until the final quarter.
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Adrian Peterson was just coming back from injury.

They were dominating the game because a converted WR QB turned the ball over 4 times in the worst game of his life.
 
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nickknx865 said:
You know how you said that OU slept through that game. Well, Boise did here.
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Makes sense.

They probably felt they deserved to be in the national title game because they fluked into a win over Oklahoma a year or two ago, so games against East Carolina & TCU are beneath them.
 
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tidwell said:
Makes sense.

They probably felt they deserved to be in the national title game because they fluked into a win over Oklahoma a year or two ago, so games against East Carolina & TCU are beneath them.
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So Boise State isn't allowed to sleepwalk through games, but Oklahoma is.

Makes sense.
 
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nickknx865 said:
So Boise State isn't allowed to sleepwalk through games, but Oklahoma is.

Makes sense.
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Sure they are, just as long as they don't whine and complain about not getting any "respect" after they make a habit of sleepwalking against the East Carolina and TCUs of the world.

But hey, that one win against OU is still getting them talked about three years later, so they can just keep riding that for all its worth.
 
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tidwell said:
Sure they are, just as long as they don't whine and complain about not getting any "respect" after they make a habit of sleepwalking against the East Carolina and TCUs of the world.

But hey, that one win against OU is still getting them talked about three years later, so they can just keep riding that for all its worth.
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It's not just that one win. It's the fact that Boise State is becoming a major program in a mid-major conference. It's the fact that they have the most wins of any team in the last 10 years. Same with Utah.
 
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nickknx865 said:
It's not just that one win. It's the fact that Boise State is becoming a major program in a mid-major conference. It's the fact that they have the most wins of any team in the last 10 years. Same with Utah.
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Boise State has the most wins over ten years but only one that anyone can even recall. That tells you something.
 
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kptvol said:
Boise State has the most wins over ten years but only one that anyone can even recall. That tells you something.
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Anyone? No. The average college football fan? Even then, I'm sure that they can tell you more than just that one if they actually watch college football.
 
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TrueOrange said:
now especially since that guy got decked this year :)
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So what if Bob "Big Game" Stoops didn't have his guys up for the game -- the point is the precedent has been set for mid-majors beating power conference teams in big-time bowl games.

It simply lays the ground to say that teams from all conferences deserve some sort of path to play for a nat'l title. I'm pretty sure any sane fan (read: doesn't support the BCS) can agree.
 
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