The infamous UT Rocky Top/Lee Corso Commercial...

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The outrage at that commercial proves our fans can dish it out but not take it. There's absolutely nothing offensive about that commercial.
 
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it negatively stereotypes people in Tennessee. I dont know if they've negatively stereotyped any other states.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 31 said:
There's absolutely nothing offensive about that commercial.

If there was nothing offensive about that commercial, then it wouldn't have been pulled because of so many complaints in the first place.

I understand that you like being controversial, but don't be ridiculous.
 
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(Orangewhiteblood @ May 31 said:
If there was nothing offensive about that commercial, then it wouldn't have been pulled because of so many complaints in the first place.

I understand that you like being controversial, but don't be ridiculous.
Just because something offends thin skinned, hypersensative crybabies doesn't make it objectively offensive. Do you think anyone in Kansas called in to complain about the commercial? ESPN simply got tired of fielding calls from the idiot fringe of the UT fan base.
 
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Well if Chris "Big Mouth" Fowler hadn't referred to us as trailer park trash, maybe their wouldn't be this controversy.Thats why I hope Peyton Manning starts ignoring ESPN one day.See them cry when they can't get anymore interviews with the best "stat" qb of all time.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 31 said:
Just because something offends thin skinned, hypersensative crybabies doesn't make it objectively offensive. Do you think anyone in Kansas called in to complain about the commercial? ESPN simply got tired of fielding calls from the idiot fringe of the UT fan base.

you wouldn't be offended by those that are offended, would you? :blink:
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 31 said:
The outrage at that commercial proves our fans can dish it out but not take it. There's absolutely nothing offensive about that commercial.

I understand and respect your perspective; it is a perspective of a younger generation that really did not have to battle the powerful, negative stereotypes of the people of the Appalachian regions.

I was raised in the poorest county in Tennessee. (At least at the time I was a child it was the poorest)

I remember the jokes and insensitive remarks my cousins from NJ and Michigan would make about ignorance in the South, to their parent's chagrin. Those jokes were one of the reasons I determined to lift myself from the poverty I endured as a child. Even though we were poor, contrary to popular stereotypes of the day, we did not have chickens and pigs in the house. We had both, but they were a source of life for most poor, rural families in the South, especially in the regions left behind by much of the industrial age.

I understand how younger Tennesseans might not feel the sting of such hurtful jokes, but those of us who lived through poverty in the region understand that our homes were just as clean as those in the better neighborhoods, if not as superior.

The piece by ESPN was very insensitive. It dug at the memories of a generation that overcame the harsh rigors of want and poverty. It’s easy to say there’s nothing there to offend if you’ve never been offended by the personal distaste of need. It’s easy to dismiss such things if you’ve never experienced true poverty, the kind where parents were overheard at times, in hushed tones discussing what they were going to do for groceries for the next week.

It was times like that when those chickens in the coop, and those pigs in the pin began to look more and more like a life-line, and less and less like a joke.
 
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(utfantilidie @ May 31 said:
Well if Chris "Big Mouth" Folwer hadn't referred to us as trailer park trash, maybe their wouldn't be this controversy.Thats why I hope Peyton Manning starts ignoring ESPN one day.See them cry when that can't get anymore interviews with the best "stat" qb of all time.
Fowler was spot on in his assessment of the behavior of UT fans after the Heisman Trophy announcement in '97. The only thing Fowler did wrong in that entire scenario was voting for Peyton Manning. His commentary was accurate in all other aspects.
 
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Doesn't UT's adopted fight song mention getting corn from a jar, and going to a place with no telephone service?

I am afraid that we may be reading a little too much into the commercial.
 
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(OldVol @ May 31 said:
I understand and respect your perspective; it is a perspective of a younger generation that really did not have to battle the powerful, negative stereotypes of the people of the Appalachian regions.

I was raised in the poorest county in Tennessee. (At least at the time I was a child it was the poorest)

I remember the jokes and insensitive remarks my cousins from NJ and Michigan would make about ignorance in the South, to their parent's chagrin. Those jokes were one of the reasons I determined to lift myself from the poverty I endured as a child. Even though we were poor, contrary to popular stereotypes of the day, we did not have chickens and pigs in the house. We had both, but they were a source of life for most poor, rural families in the South, especially in the regions left behind by much of the industrial age.

I understand how younger Tennesseans might not feel the sting of such hurtful jokes, but those of us who lived through poverty in the region understand that our homes were just as clean as those in the better neighborhoods, if not as superior.

The piece by ESPN was very insensitive. It dug at the memories of a generation that overcame the harsh rigors of want and poverty. It’s easy to say there’s nothing there to offend if you’ve never been offended by the personal distaste of need. It’s easy to dismiss such things if you’ve never experienced true poverty, the kind where parents were overheard at times, in hushed tones discussing what they were going to do for groceries for the next week.

It was times like that when those chickens in the coop, and those pigs in the pin began to look more and more like a life-line, and less and less like a joke.
If that piece was "insensitive," then 75% of all situation comedies are offensive. "Good Times," The Beverly Hillbillies," "Chico and the Man," etc. all played on stereotypes. Think about the pain drunks felt when they watched "Cheers." "The Andy Griffith Show" is bursting at the seams with caricatures of southern life. If one is looking to be offended, they will meet their wish in short order.
 
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(Lexvol @ May 31 said:
Doesn't UT's adopted fight song mention getting corn from a jar, and going to a place with no telephone service?

I am afraid that we may be reading a little too much into the commercial.
The Pride of the Southland should be disbanded for playing a song that raises the specter of negative stereotypes.
 
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There's a vast difference between the lyrics of Rocy Top and the depiction of Tennesseans living in homes with pigs.

 
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(Lexvol @ May 31 said:
Doesn't UT's adopted fight song mention getting corn from a jar, and going to a place with no telephone service?

I am afraid that we may be reading a little too much into the commercial.

I think the song embraces the heritage. ESPN tries to exploit and make fun of it.
 
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I wonder how far they'd get by taking pokes at Touchdown Jesus?

Maybe they could run a piece that shows Touchdown Jesus french-kissing Mary Magdalene, as the Da Vinci Code would have you believe.

Do you think that would fly well with Irish and Catholics?
 
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(OldVol @ May 31 said:
There's a vast difference between the lyrics of Rocy Top and the depiction of Tennesseans living in homes with pigs.
True. The lady chasing the pig in the commercial doesn't appear to be looped on moonshine. The commercial may actually be a more positive depiction.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 31 said:
True. The lady chasing the pig in the commercial doesn't appear to be looped on moonshine. The commercial may actually be a more positive depiction.

That's probably the poorest attempt I've seen you make.
 
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(OldVol @ May 31 said:
I wonder how far they'd get by taking pokes at Touchdown Jesus?

Maybe they could run a piece that shows Touchdown Jesus french-kissing Mary Magdalene, as the Da Vinci Code would have you believe.

Do you think that would fly well with Irish and Catholics?
Most Catholics I know have a sense of humor. I didn't see many of them boycotting "Dogma" when it came out.
 
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(utfantilidie @ May 31 said:
Well if Chris "Big Mouth" Folwer hadn't referred to us as trailer park trash, maybe their wouldn't be this controversy.Thats why I hope Peyton Manning starts ignoring ESPN one day.See them cry when that can't get anymore interviews with the best "stat" qb of all time.
Sportscenter without Peyton? Don't they already have that? It's called their "Live at the Super Bowl Editions."
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 31 said:
Most Catholics I know have a sense of humor. I didn't see many of them boycotting "Dogma" when it came out.

The point is; ESPN has never even come close to insulting other programs like they have UT.

I know they got a briar under their saddle after the stupid "Trailer Park Trash" remark, but it was stupid and if it had been pointed at Blacks, Hispanics, or Homosexuals Fowler would have been forced out.

That's the simple truth of it.

Some groups are still open season while others are out of the woods.
 
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(OldVol @ May 31 said:
That's probably the poorest attempt I've seen you make.
If you dislike it that much, I'm extremely happy with my post.
 
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(OldVol @ May 31 said:
The point is; ESPN has never even come close to insulting other programs like they have UT.

I know they got a briar under their saddle after the stupid "Trailer Park Trash" remark, but it was stupid and if it had been pointed at Blacks, Hispanics, or Homosexuals Fowler would have been forced out.

That's the simple truth of it.

Some groups are still open season while others are out of the woods.
No other school/program has ever accused ESPN of being the leader of an international conspiracy against them. People are constantly saying Barry Bonds deserves the treatment he's receiving now because he's acted boorishly throughout his career. Guess what? That's exactly the same kind of instant karma UT fans are receiving from ESPN. If our fans hadn't acted like abject morons after the Heisman voting in '97, they wouldn't catch flack from ESPN today.
 
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(hatvol96 @ May 31 said:
If you dislike it that much, I'm extremely happy with my post.

You display again your total lack of understanding.

You can't possibly fathom the rigors of harsh poverty.

It's silly for me to discuss this with someone from your generation who has no knowledge of true hardship. Your tone, as it often becomes clearly evident, reveals a life that knows nothing of true
difficulty. When you've known real hardship, it softens your views.

I hope you and my children never learn this harsh reality.

It does leave you with a poor perspective on the subject. You can never understand a thing so personal until you have personally experienced it.
 
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I had not seen this commercial before. In my opinion, as an outsider, it's play on super-broad stereotypes of the rural South is exactly why it is both funny and not offensive. Sometimes, a representation of a stereotype can be so overwhelmingly over the top that there is no way anyone would take it seriously. I liken this to some of the absurdities of the Chapelle Show. His skits are so beyond reality and so exploitive of a stereotpye that the joke becomes the stereotype itself.

A woman in an elevator with a chicken chasing a pig named "Rocky Top"? Come on, that's hilarious and so over the top that no one would think to themselves that all people in Tennessee chase pigs named for their alma mater just because they saw it on that commercial. It is so ridiculous that it instantly disproves itself.

If you did one based on USC where there were a group of unschooled surfers speaking in some sort of west coast dumb slang (gnarly, etc.) you would not think that proof that people in southern California are all surf and beach bums. You'd recognize it as playing on a stereotype you know to be false ... and smile at how clever the commercial was.

And if they did one where they had some farmers husking some corn, you wouldn't think badly of Nebraska for it.

To me, the problem commercials are ones that perhaps a lot more subtly point out and take advantage of these stereotypes, particularly if based on race or ethnicity. But this commercial was so mocking of itself, really, that I just don't see it as anything other than poking good-natured fun at the stereotype, itself.



 

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