The Keynesian Nightmare Continues...

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CSpindizzy said:
Third Way nonsense has been preached by Bill Clinton and Tony Blair for some time as well.

As for WHO, are you referring to the organization that preached the Swine Flu that would wipe out millions of people globally? WHO has a credibility issue.
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I put them on par with the chicken littles over in the global warming cult.
 
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droski said:
absolutely not true by any metric that is meaningful.
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true when you spend your time reading British papers, World Bank crap and UN sponsored gibberish. Simply not in their best interests to support the capitalist way of life. Best served to act like collective is the route to run.

Anyone spouting survivability stats, QoL gibberish and infant mortality rates to justify those views is purely driving an agenda. We can make selective stats say anything in the world, as long as we completely ignore context.
 
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"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."

Nikita Kruschev

Some of the communist goals for America as read into the record of the US house of representatives by H.S. Herlong of Florida in 1963. (as pertains to this thread.)

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use 'united force' to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
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What is very important has been the nexus between the world socislist and islamic interestest during the last thrity or forty years.

Of particular interest are political events in Kenya over the past five or ten years and how that relates to current events in America to all objective observers of world events except the myopic and small minded.
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BTW the recent UT/Oregon game was a duck soup dream come true........ until the continuation of the keneysian nightmare!!

We ran so many draw plays I thought JM was calling signals.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
true when you spend your time reading British papers, World Bank crap and UN sponsored gibberish. Simply not in their best interests to support the capitalist way of life. Best served to act like collective is the route to run.

Anyone spouting survivability stats, QoL gibberish and infant mortality rates to justify those views is purely driving an agenda. We can make selective stats say anything in the world, as long as we completely ignore context.
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Right. Quoting the metrics that define CIVILIZATION is rubbish. And to think I was thinking of stripping you of your GoF-emeritus status.

There is a reason Rwanda ranks low on those metrics and a reason Sweden is Top Dog. It's "selective stats." :crazy:
 
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Sweden is top dog in what, sexy stewardesses?

They can't even claim Volvo or Saab anymore.
 
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MG1968 said:
Sweden is top dog in what, sexy stewardesses?

They can't even claim Volvo or Saab anymore.
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They are top in GNP per capita, health, life span, etc.

The metrics we measure and compare civilizations.....

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

WHO health care system ratings, btw. This is the most detailed and comprehensive study (the full report is always available, but I thought you would just be interested in the rankings).

(Sweden, which spends about half of what we do on health care, achieves similar cancer rates in an NHS service.) Now, I could go on and on about cancer. It's a first world, disease, undoubtedly (although not conclusively proven) borne out of pollution, ubiquitous chemicals, etc. It is unheard of in "under-developed" regions of the world.

The cancer data you have provided is interesting, but again, NHS services are achieving similar survival rates with far less money.
 
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right.

keep on using WHO as your source and be sure to write to us when you've moved to Sweden to take advantage of their wonderful system
 
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MG1968 said:
right.

keep on using WHO as your source and be sure to write to us when you've moved to Sweden to take advantage of their wonderful system
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Is there a more comprehensive, cited, and reviewed study than the World Health Organization report?

What does your reply mean? What is wrong with recognizing real results from the real world? Let's stick our head in the ground and not take a bath - CUZ THAT'S HOW I ROLL!
 
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my reply means that I hope you remember to write when you emigrate to one of Europe's many social-democratic paradises.
 
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MG1968 said:
my reply means that I hope you remember to write when you emigrate to one of Europe's many social-democratic paradises.
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sadly I doubt he'll leave but keep fighting to turn the US into one of those failures. I'd chip in for a ticket though
 
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utgibbs said:
Is there a more comprehensive, cited, and reviewed study than the World Health Organization report?

What does your reply mean? What is wrong with recognizing real results from the real world? Let's stick our head in the ground and not take a bath - CUZ THAT'S HOW I ROLL!
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The WHO couldn't put forth more trash if it tried. If you think, with or massive ghettos and limited education therein, that the stats you spew are remotely apples to apples, you're a bonehead. GNP per capita suffers from this problem, as do health stats, as do the idiotic crap that would measure quality of life. Subjective silliness and skewed to the point of meaningless stats are actually more worthless than the utter garbage you try to pass off as historical fact regarding Keynesian philosophies and prosperity.
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WHO's Fooling Who? The World Health Organization's Problematic Ranking of Health Care Systems | Glen Whitman | Cato Institute: Briefing Paper

Those who cite the WHO rankings typically present them as an objective measure of the relative performance of national health care systems. They are not. The WHO rankings depend crucially on a number of underlying assumptions— some of them logically incoherent, some characterized by substantial uncertainty, and some rooted in ideological beliefs and values that not everyone shares.
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MG1968 said:
WHO's Fooling Who? The World Health Organization's Problematic Ranking of Health Care Systems | Glen Whitman | Cato Institute: Briefing Paper
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and that was being nice. Same for the QoL stupidity that gets bandied about. Subjective silliness. Same with infant mortality rates, which have no way of accounting for the enormous birth rates in our at risk population. Ditto longevity silliness, which does nothing to account for the horrendous diets in which Americans choose to partake.
 
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what poverty level are we using? Use our version and the vast majority of the world is below it
 
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utvolpj said:
what poverty level are we using? Use our version and the vast majority of the world is below it
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i love when people quote the china poverty levels compared to ours and fail to realize the average income in that country is $2,500 a year.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
The WHO couldn't put forth more trash if it tried. If you think, with or massive ghettos and limited education therein, that the stats you spew are remotely apples to apples, you're a bonehead. GNP per capita suffers from this problem, as do health stats, as do the idiotic crap that would measure quality of life. Subjective silliness and skewed to the point of meaningless stats are actually more worthless than the utter garbage you try to pass off as historical fact regarding Keynesian philosophies and prosperity.
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You seem to be saying that it's only because the richest country in the world has so many damn poor people that the stats are skewed.

Well, I rest my case.

Shall we look to Bhutan and adopt their model of GNP? I can't say I wouldn't approve heartily.
 
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utgibbs said:
You seem to be saying that it's only because the richest country in the world has so many damn poor people that the stats are skewed.

Well, I rest my case.

Shall we look to Bhutan and adopt their model of GNP? I can't say I wouldn't approve heartily.
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poor people by what metric? Our poor would be ruiling the "bhutan."
 
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droski said:
you know standards of living. . . home ownership, income, unemployment, % of people living in poverty
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Sure!

Europe has better upward mobility, lower poverty, better health, higher GNP per capita income in most countries, less income polarization.... how much further do we need to go. Real unemployment is about the same (Europe does a better job actually counting the unemployed). By the way, they also work fewer hours and have longer vacations. Oh, and higher minimum wages. In fact, the ones which are "most socialist" will blow the USA away in these categories.

The upper mobility one is the big ringer - defuses myths about the American system. We cannot put our head in the sand!

I'm not familiar with homelessness numbers, but just from experience travelling regularly to Europe, far fewer homeless on streets there. However, I'm certainly not familiar with the data. That's totally anecdotal.

Home ownership is not as important as homelessness, IMHO. For instance, the Germans don't buy, but they are certainly miles ahead in virtually every category.
 
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utgibbs said:
Sure!

Europe has better upward mobility, lower poverty, better health, higher GNP per capita income in most countries, less income polarization.... how much further do we need to go. Real unemployment is about the same (Europe does a better job actually counting the unemployed). By the way, they also work fewer hours and have longer vacations. Oh, and higher minimum wages. In fact, the ones which are "most socialist" will blow the USA away in these categories.

The upper mobility one is the big ringer - defuses myths about the American system. We cannot put our head in the sand!

I'm not familiar with homelessness numbers, but just from experience travelling regularly to Europe, far fewer homeless on streets there. However, I'm certainly not familiar with the data. That's totally anecdotal.

Home ownership is not as important as homelessness, IMHO. For instance, the Germans don't buy, but they are certainly miles ahead in virtually every category.
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what's your evidence europe has better upward mobility? higher gdp per capita? garbage. less income polarization? so? our rich are richer. that's a bad thing? our poor are not poorer by any metric.
 
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