The long haul is whats important - not the last few yrs.

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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jul 2 said:
Bama's record agasint UT is 43-35-8. So what does that mean?
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Take out the first 10 games, since 1914, the series is tied 36-36-7
 
#28
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Some may disagree, and it could simply be that my standards are too high, but while nationally people may respect UT they rarely mention UT in the same breath with Nebraska, Oklahoma, Florida State,Alabama, or USC. Why? because those teams dominated specific eras or decades in college football. Some of us feel that UT missed its golden opportunity to be mentioned among those historically elite programs.

I have mentioned this before, but my discontent stems from when Stevie left Fla. UT's only natural predator was gone. Instead of taking advantage of the situation, UT really fell off of the national stage.

As much as I hope to regain the program prestige I wonder if the ship has sailed. Not the opportunity to win a championship here and there, but the opportunity to "belong" when the list of legendary football programs is made. You don't often get those chances. I support the Vols as much as anyone, but I am still grieving the missed opportunity.
 
#29
#29
(TVTT @ Jul 2 said:
Tell you what hatvol96 why don't you take your load of crap and shove it. It's obvious you know nothing about the history of Tennessee or college FB for that matter. Tell me hot shot when was Alabama first "voted NCs" by the Associated Press and how many of their claimed 12 NCs were awarded by the national media? Which team has the highest winning % in the SEC - Tenn/Ala ?
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The facts are the facts. 80 years of UT football have produced all of two consensus National Championships. If that math is too difficult for you, I apologize.
 
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#30
(TVTT @ Jul 2 said:
HV96 it's also obvious you haven't got the money to join Brent Hubbs's site. I guess waiting on tables and taking orders at Wendy's doesn't pay you enough.
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If I chose to, I could buy Rivals and kick that little dweeb to the curb. I'll compare tax returns and asset sheets with the likes of you anyday.Now go back to your Fulmer Room and continue your "I hope we make the Peach Bowl" prayer vigil.
 
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(Lexvol @ Jul 2 said:
Some may disagree, and it could simply be that my standards are too high, but while nationally people may respect UT they rarely mention UT in the same breath with Nebraska, Oklahoma, Florida State,Alabama, or USC. Why? because those teams dominated specific eras or decades in college football. Some of us feel that UT missed its golden opportunity to be mentioned among those historically elite programs.

I have mentioned this before, but my discontent stems from when Stevie left Fla. UT's only natural predator was gone. Instead of taking advantage of the situation, UT really fell off of the national stage.

As much as I hope to regain the program prestige I wonder if the ship has sailed. Not the opportunity to win a championship here and there, but the opportunity to "belong" when the list of legendary football programs is made. You don't often get those chances. I support the Vols as much as anyone, but I am still grieving the missed opportunity.
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Lex, you need to study your history. As some of the brilliant scholars on this site have pointed out, the victories we picked up in the '20s and '30s against Sewanee, Tusculum, UTC, etc. are more important than SEC and National Championships. If you don't understand this concept that those intellectual giants have been so benevolent in making us aware of, you hate UT and are doomed to a life of work in the food service industry.
 
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#32
I wouldn't call Sewanee an easy win. By the 1930's they were terrible. At one time they were a really good football team.
 
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(VolunteerHillbilly @ Jul 2 said:
Bama's record agasint UT is 43-35-8. So what does that mean?
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Nothing. Don't you understand. All that matters is an 80 year winning percentage, padded with victories over the likes of William & Mary and Emory & Henry in the '20s and '30s. Conference and National Championships are secondary to the almighty %. You'll feel much better when you stop demanding that the program produce the measures of excellence used by every other team. UT fans are a much smarter lot. We have come to realize the inadequacies of championships as measures of achievement. Instead, we will rely on archane statistics that nobody else gives a damn about to proclaim our dominance.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Jul 2 said:
Nothing. Don't you understand. All that matters is an 80 year winning percentage, padded with victories over the likes of William & Mary and Emory & Henry in the '20s and '30s. Conference and National Championships are secondary to the almighty %. You'll feel much better when you stop demanding that the program produce the measures of excellence used by every other team. UT fans are a much smarter lot. We have come to realize the inadequacies of championships as measures of achievement. Instead, we will rely on archane statistics that nobody else gives a damn about to proclaim our dominance.
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what do you think hat. the only thing that matters to me is 33-17 over the last several years and rock bottom at 5-6. i'm living into the now, and right now we are not good. :biggrin2:
 
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(smokedog#3 @ Jul 2 said:
what do you think hat. the only thing that matters to me is 33-17 over the last several years and rock bottom at 5-6. i'm living into the now, and right now we are not good. :biggrin2:
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Amen.
 
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#38
(85Destiny @ Jul 2 said:
have you guys personally acheived anything in your lifetime that your are proud of?
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Not really. I complete tasks and move on. The past is the past. I leave dwelling and analyzing on events in the rear view mirror of my life to others.
 
#39
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(hatvol96 @ Jul 2 said:
Not really. I complete tasks and move on. The past is the past. I leave dwelling and analyzing on events in the rear view mirror of my life to others.
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amen brother, personally i'm proud i didn't throw myself off neyland stadium last year. :biggrin2:
 
#40
#40
(hatvol96 @ Jul 2 said:
Not really. I complete tasks and move on. The past is the past. I leave dwelling and analyzing on events in the rear view mirror of my life to others.
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you have never analyzed any events from your past?
 
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(85Destiny @ Jul 2 said:
you have never analyzed any events from your past?
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I do so in a brief manner, to see if there are any lessons to be learned. Then, the events are relegated to the recesses of my memory. The past holds no allure for me. A fool will lose tomorrow reaching back for yesterday.
 
#44
#44
(85Destiny @ Jul 2 said:
Not the answer I am looking for?
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sometimes. do i worry about it not really. the past is the past. i always try and livin to now and the future. looking back in the past will just get you in trouble.
 
#45
#45
(hatvol96 @ Jul 2 said:
I do so in a brief manner, to see if there are any lessons to be learned. Then, the events are relegated to the recesses of my memory. The past holds no allure for me. A fool will lose tomorrow reaching back for yesterday.
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Point is that fans on here are not reaching back for yesterday but they are proud of what this football team has accomplished since it's inception. And most people are proud of their own accomplishments.

Does that mean that we are living in the past? No. We still want our football team to succeed and win championships.

Nobody is a fool for remembering the past. In fact, reflecting on the past is a good exercise. It does not mean that you are stuck in the past or a fool.
 
#46
#46
(85Destiny @ Jul 2 said:
Point is that fans on here are not reaching back for yesterday but they are proud of what this football team has accomplished since it's inception. And most people are proud of their own accomplishments.

Does that mean that we are living in the past? No. We still want our football team to succeed and win championships.

Nobody is a fool for remembering the past. In fact, reflecting on the past is a good exercise. It does not mean that you are stuck in the past or a fool.
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i'm sorry 85 i have to disagree. when the fulmerites come back with 98 champs and highest winning percentage that is not reflecting the past that is living it. 33-17 and 5-6 that is the now. we are no longer the elite and have slipped quite a bit. i'll admit fulmer had a great run through 98 and i was proud of him and the teams and what they accomplished. now i think he has run his course. teams have evolved got better and we haven't. to me that spells a serious problem with our coaching. like i said this is tennessee football we are suppose to reload not rebuild, times have changes and if we don't change with them we will just get worse.
 
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#47
(smokedog#3 @ Jul 2 said:
i'm sorry 85 i have to disagree. when the fulmerites come back with 98 champs and highest winning percentage that is not reflecting the past that is living it. 33-17 and 5-6 that is the now. we are no longer the elite and have slipped quite a bit. i'll admit fulmer had a great run through 98 and i was proud of him and the teams and what they accomplished. now i think he has run his course. teams have evolved got better and we haven't. to me that spells a serious problem with our coaching. like i said this is tennessee football we are suppose to reload not rebuild, times have changes and if we don't change with them we will just get worse.
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I am not one of those people that type in the record of fulmer or come back with 98. I am in agreement with the rest of your post. I just don't like some other posters trying to minimize the history of ut football.
 
#48
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(85Destiny @ Jul 2 said:
I am not one of those people that type in the record of fulmer or come back with 98. I am in agreement with the rest of your post. I just don't like some other posters trying to minimize the history of ut football.
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i can agree with that.
 
#49
#49
(hatvol96 @ Jul 1 said:
Exactly. To claim a place among the elite, you better have the championship hardware to back it up. Winning percentage stats are the last refuge of those who don't win championships.
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How many should we have had by now?
 
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#50
(CobbVol @ Jul 2 said:
How many should we have had by now?
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To consider yourself among the historical elite, 5 would be a good number. I can't think of a school, other than Miami, who has that number of National Championships that I wouldn't consider a historical power.
 
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