The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[VolStrom]

. . . and apparently arrogant to think that their worldview is more indicative of quality of life than someone else's.

The dirty little secret is that the occupant of the White House doesn't really change most people's day to day lives nearly as much as political parties like to pretend it does.

BS, interest rates, oil prices, border migration and inflation changed when the idiot Biden took charge.

 

[GAVol]

BS, interest rates, oil prices, border migration and inflation changed when the idiot Biden took charge.

I'll give you the border issues. The economic numbers were already headed there though. QE, supply chain issues and injecting all that cash into the economy was going to have consequences that didn't care who was in charge. The problem is, Biden will now double down and do the dumbest thing possible to try and fix the equity of a bad economy instead of the actual issues.

 

[evillawyer]

Tiny returns to the Big Apple.
The place he loves most, the place which loves him least.

So inefficient for him to go all the way into Manhattan when Rikers Island is right there next to LGA

 

[hog88]

Not that last part.

True, that would be a hell of a stretch.

 

[OrangeBoro]

I hear what you're saying, but the fact remains that Biden had a consistent 4-6 point lead in the head to head polls over Trump from the time he announced that he was running, even though the economy was strong. Trump didn't lose because of a pandemic-stricken economy. He lost because independent voters grew weary of his conduct.

That was also evident during the 2022 mid-term elections. Trump-endorsed candidates performed poorly in key states such as Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada.

And I forgot to add had it not been for covid biden would have had to actually leave the basement and be out in public all the time, then everyone could see the consistent issues he has while talking

 

[VolStrom]

I'll give you the border issues. The economic numbers were already headed there though. QE, supply chain issues and injecting all that cash into the economy was going to have consequences that didn't care who was in charge.

Didn't Biden push for 2 different bills that injected trillions of dollars into the economy that pumped up inflation and the feds reaction to raise interest rates? He immediately signed executive orders to kill off domestic oil production.
Biden single handedly destroyed our economy.

 

[utvolpj]

lol....Nice try.
I said more actively engaged.

Which basically means to serve up candidates no matter what the voters want. It's rigged

 

[utvolpj]

Didn't Biden push for 2 different bills that injected trillions of dollars into the economy that pumped up inflation and the feds reaction to raise interest rates? He immediately signed executive orders to kill off domestic oil production.
Biden single handedly destroyed our economy.

So did Trump with the spending and promised more of reelected. This was not all on Biden

 

[BowlBrother85]

None of the other primary candidates would have come close to beating Hillary because in 2016 most people were tired of the Bush/Romney/McCain milquetoast pushovers the Rs constantly run. There would have been zero enthusiasm and Hillary would have cruised to victory.

I don't know if that's accurate or not, because there was also zero enthusiasm among liberals for Hillary Clinton. She lost some big states to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary.

 

[luthervol]

Which basically means to serve up candidates no matter what the voters want. It's rigged

Hardly, it means to help educate so the wisest decision can be made.

 

[VolStrom]

So did Trump with the spending and promised more of reelected. This was not all on Biden

I didn't say it was. Biden did his fair share of spending when it wasn't needed. BTW have you seen his latest budget? Only $6.9 Trillion.

 

[lawgator1]

I get it. But do you really think an accounting maneuver is the hill to plant your flag on when going after an ex-President? We'll have to wait to see the indictment, but surely there's more than that crack with hopes of finding more in discovery.

No, I think it will be Mar-A-Lago or Georgia that is his ultimate undoing.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

LOL, no like many he saw how radical you all were going. I have heard from many old school dems who say they no longer recognize their party.

Same sentiment about the GOP right now by many life long republicans. Both sides are catering to the extremes.

 

[VolStrom]

No, I think it will be Mar-A-Lago or Georgia that is his ultimate undoing.

Give me one example where you were correct in any of your predictions?

 

[utvolpj]

I didn't say it was. Biden did his fair share of spending when it wasn't needed. BTW have you seen his latest budget? Only $6.9 Trillion.

you said "Biden single handedly destroyed our economy." It was not single handed

Proposed budgets by the Potus are always ridiculous

 

[hog88]

I don't know if that's accurate or not, because there was also zero enthusiasm among liberals for Hillary Clinton. She lost some big states to Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary.

There would have been more enthusiasm for her than any of the other R candidates. For a lot of people just the "I voted for our first woman president" would have gotten them to the polls.

 

[BowlBrother85]

And I forgot to add had it not been for covid biden would have had to actually leave the basement and be out in public all the time, then everyone could see the consistent issues he has while talking

Once again, I hear what you're saying ... and that makes sense in theory.

I just think the 2020 Presidential General Election was a referendum on Trump's personality and conduct. Independent voters who were willing to give him a chance in 2016, rejected him in 2020.

 

[AM64]

As Elon Musk said, I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me. I think that applies to Trump as well. Your democrats have swung for the liberal fences and left everyone behind.

Reagan said that ("I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me") long before the Muskovite was born.

 

[VolStrom]

Reagan said that ("I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me") long before the Muskovite was born.

I went with a more modern example.

 

[OrangeBoro]

Once again, I hear what you're saying ... and that makes sense in theory.

I just think the 2020 Presidential General Election was a referendum on Trump's personality and conduct. Independent voters who were willing to give him a chance in 2016, rejected him in 2020.

Hopefully they are regretting it now and feeling the consequences of being soft

 

[evillawyer]

Lemme guess ... The corrupt Dems rigged the traffic lights.

 

[TAZVOL75]

Fact is, Trump is a fraud, business and otherwise. And his antics are starting to catch up with him.

STARTING.

Fact is, all politicians are frauds, business and otherwise. Difference is he doesn’t play the same game as the other politicians and they don’t like it

 

[AM64]

If they were a dem 30 years ago and did not change or progress, they probably have more in common with repubs now.
Republicans are basically a 30 year lag.

I suppose that's one way of putting it. Another might be that the dems took a radical turn and are 30 years off course stumbling in the wilderness. Not all change is progress ... unless you believe progressivism is change in the right direction; most of us will assure you that it isn't.

 

[VolStrom]

you said "Biden single handedly destroyed our economy." It was not single handed

Proposed budgets by the Potus are always ridiculous

You got me there.

 

[VolStrom]

I suppose that's one way of putting it. Another might be that the dems took a radical turn and are 30 years off course stumbling in the wilderness. Not all change is progress ... unless you believe progressivism is change in the right direction; most of us will assure you that it isn't.

That is a brilliant statement.