The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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lawgator1 said:
No.

IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PAYOFF.

It is about directing a scheme to hide the payoff for campaign purposes and doing so by falsely booking it as attorneys fees.

But that is just this one. Have you seen the recent reporting on Mar-a-Lago? That AFTER a subpoena received for the documents Trump went through them, to hold back specific ones.

Why do that? The others who were found to have inadvertently kept classified documents bent over backwards to return them. Why did Trump resist? What is in those particular documents he did not want us to see?


That's the big story of his undoing.
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Trump's businesses are private companies so WTF is it the business of the state outside of taxes (and he's not being charged with a tax violation) how he recorded a payoff for an NDA? Furthermore since Trump is in the hospitality/entertainment/real estate and persona business a very good argument can be made that a payoff to avoid bad press is a legitimate business expense and since it was done through his attorney it was legal fees.
 
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luthervol said:
If repubs had nominated any of the other 17 candidates, Trump would have remained irrelevant.
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Well . . . yeah. But you had your chance and accidentally helped create the monster. Nominate somebody with slight appeal in a swing state and none of it would have mattered.
 
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luthervol said:
I've see it stated by others that Trump was worth it simply for his judicial appointments.

If so, then never question support for Biden, because one only need claim that he is worth it simply for his judicial appointments.
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Have you watched any of the Senate confirmation hearings for Biden's federal judge nominations? Open box, pour in rocks, nominate as federal judge under Biden.
 
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AM64 said:
Unbelievable, and we thought this kind of speech suppression only happened in places like Russia, N Korea, and China. Gonna be interesting when one party forces action against the other party for stuff said during campaigns. Maybe time to revisit Hiliarly, Steele, and the gang.
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You live in a banana Republic and a terrorist state. We need this regime removed and everyone associated with them taken to jail.
 
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luthervol said:
In hindsight.......absolutely. It would have saved untold pain, misery, and suffering.

But not really rigged.....just actively engaged.
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There's the problem though. Trump is an egotistical buffoon . . . who people did just fine under. If the left would stop gaslighting the Trump years, he'd have way less influence. Every time they irrationally blame Trump or find another way to throw dirt on his grave with an investigation, it just emboldens Trump support and makes them feel justified in their us against them mentality.
 
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luthervol said:
One would have hoped. Repubs had numerous opportunities to correct their own error.

In a way, it boils down to this:
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

Millions were not willing to sit idly by. (and I believe that was the appropriate call)
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Please, the Democrats have done everything they could have, successfully I might add, to keep Trump relevant. They are just as responsible for galvanizing a portion of the Republican voting block around him.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is nothing to support that belief at all.

Joe Biden had a 4-6 point lead in the polls over Trump from the time he announced his candidacy in April of 2019 - which was 10 months before COVID. Keep believing that though and nominate him again. PLEASE.
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Economy was booming win for Trump. Covid came along killed economy win for biden. Mail out voting happened win for biden
 
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GAVol said:
There's the problem though. Trump is an egotistical buffoon . . . who people did just fine under. If the left would stop gaslighting the Trump years, he'd have way less influence.
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Yep, if they would just leave him alone and quit giving him the ammunition to play the "persecuted" his support would fade away.
 
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luthervol said:
I've seen it stated by others that Trump was worth it simply for his judicial appointments.

If so, then never question support for Biden, because one only need claim that he is worth it simply for his judicial appointments.
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It's more than that but for that alone it was worth it.
 
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GAVol said:
There's the problem though. Trump is an egotistical buffoon . . . who people did just fine under. If the left would stop gaslighting the Trump years, he'd have way less influence. Every time they irrationally blame Trump or find another way to throw dirt on his grave with an investigation, it just emboldens Trump support and makes them feel justified in their us against them mentality.
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It's the claiming that "people did just fine" that is off the mark. His lasting damage had little to do with "dollars in your wallet" during the 4 year people. People are so myopic when evaluating quality of life.
 
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luthervol said:
Your claim is that only the worst republican candidate was capable of winning. You might want to sit back and ponder the implications of that position.
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None of the other primary candidates would have come close to beating Hillary because in 2016 most people were tired of the Bush/Romney/McCain milquetoast pushovers the Rs constantly run. There would have been zero enthusiasm and Hillary would have cruised to victory.
 
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OrangeBoro said:
Economy was booming win for Trump. Covid came along killed economy win for biden. Mail out voting happened win for biden
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I hear what you're saying, but the fact remains that Biden had a consistent 4-6 point lead in the head to head polls over Trump from the time he announced that he was running, even though the economy was strong. Trump didn't lose because of a pandemic-stricken economy. He lost because independent voters grew weary of his conduct.

That was also evident during the 2022 mid-term elections. Trump-endorsed candidates performed poorly in key states such as Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada.
 
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luthervol said:
People are so myopic when evaluating quality of life.
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. . . and apparently arrogant to think that their worldview is more indicative of quality of life than someone else's.

The dirty little secret is that the occupant of the White House doesn't really change most people's day to day lives nearly as much as political parties like to pretend it does.
 
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GAVol said:
. . . and apparently arrogant to think that their worldview is more indicative of quality of life than someone else's.

The dirty little secret is that the occupant of the White House doesn't really change most people's day to day lives nearly as much as political parties like to pretend it does.
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Correct, a president's lasting impact is much more intangible.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump didn't lose because of a pandemic-stricken economy. He lost because independent voters grew weary of his conduct.
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I think the answer was really both, but you're right that Trump never polled as well as he should have given the economy he had in 2019. His antics and style created a ceiling that he was never going to break through.
 
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hog88 said:
Trump's businesses are private companies so WTF is it the business of the state outside of taxes (and he's not being charged with a tax violation) how he recorded a payoff for an NDA? Furthermore since Trump is in the hospitality/entertainment/real estate and persona business a very good argument can be made that a payoff to avoid bad press is a legitimate business expense and since it was done through his attorney it was legal fees.
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Not that last part.
 
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