The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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jmacvols1 said:
Why has the left waited 2 and half years to bring these fraudulent indictments? They only brought these indictments after Trump was going to run and after he has a commanding lead and likely to win the Presidential race. Yes, we on the right are too dumb to see what is going on.
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It takes time to put this stuff together and will take time to try.

Donnys campaign isn't being interrupted by indictment(s), the indictment(s) are being interrupted by his campaign.

And yes, I agree - you trump supporters are too dumb to see what's going on. No doubt about it.
 
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Septic said:
It takes time to put this stuff together and will take time to try.
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evillawyer said:
Not following hombre.

The theory was Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election. Your purported defeater of that theory is that Trump threatened to pull out of NATO if other NATO members didn't up their spending. How does that contradict/defeat the theory of Russian collusion? If he had just said "Russia is a threat and we need everyone to do their part if we're going to have a strong alliance against Russia." But that's not what he did. He wanted to pull out of NATO and thought it was obsolete. That played into Putin's hands.
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he didn't want to pull out of NATO - he wanted NATO members to pay their fair share - guess what? he was partially successful in getting them to do so. hardly fits the Russian collusion narrative so the approach is to say Trump's goal was to get us out of NATO completely (when the facts go against the conspiracy change the facts to fit the conspiracy).

Nothing he did with regard to NATO played into Putin's hands - they were more committed as a whole than prior. Why do you think NATO members stepped up and increased their contributions and how did that play into Putin's hands?
 
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jmacvols1 said:
Why has the left waited 2 and half years to bring these fraudulent indictments? They only brought these indictments after Trump was going to run and after he has a commanding lead and likely to win the Presidential race. Yes, we on the right are too dumb to see what is going on.
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Ask any experienced attorney. Building case against an ex-President is different than a regular citizen. I"m sure you're aware Trump didn't declare his 2024 Presidential run until after the raid on Mar-A-Lago last August. Of course his first defense, well documented from his "truth social" network was that the documents had been planted. A personally penned letter from Trump making that claim. You think Jack Smith doesn't have that in his file?
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/27/politics/trump-nato-contribution-nato/index.html

NATO officials including the Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg have also credited Trump for the rise in spending, with an extra $100 billion spent since 2014 but have also acknowledged the increased threat from Russia following its seizure of Crimea and other factors have helped to prompt the increase.

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BernardKingGOAT said:
Ask any experienced attorney. Building case against an ex-President is different than a regular citizen. I"m sure you're aware Trump didn't declare his 2024 Presidential run until after the raid on Mar-A-Lago last August. Of course his first defense, well documented from his "truth social" network was that the documents had been planted. A personally penned letter from Trump making that claim
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These fraudulant indicments are being coordinated to draw attention away when bad news comes out against Biden.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
These fraudulant indicments are being coordinated to draw attention away when bad news comes out against Biden.
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jmacvols1 said:
These fraudulant indicments are being coordinated to draw attention away when bad news comes out against Biden.
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Hope Biden gets nailed too. That has absolutely nothing to do with the facts I presented in my post
 
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volinbham said:
he didn't want to pull out of NATO - he wanted NATO members to pay their fair share - guess what? he was partially successful in getting them to do so. hardly fits the Russian collusion narrative so the approach is to say Trump's goal was to get us out of NATO completely (when the facts go against the conspiracy change the facts to fit the conspiracy).

Nothing he did with regard to NATO played into Putin's hands - they were more committed as a whole than prior. Why do you think NATO members stepped up and increased their contributions and how did that play into Putin's hands?
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There might be all sorts of documentation explaining Trump's affinity for Putin that we will not know for many, many years. Would burn too many humint resources.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Anonymous Sources on affidavits are normally sworn signed testimony. TV hearsay is just planting a seed and chasing rabbits down a hole or to keep the base intact.
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Kind of like whistleblowers that like to hide behind anonymity. I’m sure the ones that have came out the last few months you were quick to dismiss.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
These fraudulant indicments are being coordinated to draw attention away when bad news comes out against Biden.
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Orange man's hoping you'd think that...keep sending in those "campaign contributions" so he can get those legal bills paid!! If you send enough, he may even help Guliani out a little!
 
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Kind of like whistleblowers that like to hide behind anonymity. I’m sure the ones that have came out the last few months you were quick to dismiss.
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How would YOU have any clue as to anything about whistleblowers? Supposition? Of course. Experience? None and not the first f'ing clue
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
How would YOU have any clue as to anything about whistleblowers? Supposition? Of course. Experience? None and not the first f'ing clue
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Bold to assume the careers and experience of people you don't know.

Source: someone that works with various federal OIGs.
 
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volinbham said:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/27/politics/trump-nato-contribution-nato/index.html

NATO officials including the Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg have also credited Trump for the rise in spending, with an extra $100 billion spent since 2014 but have also acknowledged the increased threat from Russia following its seizure of Crimea and other factors have helped to prompt the increase.

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You’re getting your news from the “rigged election” folks if you're making the two out to be equivalent. (Cc: @GAVol)

There was a special counsel report, senate report, inspector general report, and then another special counsel report that all found or conceded that the Russian government had determined that a Trump presidency was in their interest and had acted accordingly with respect to election propaganda. All of those reports also found or conceded that investigation of the campaign was warranted and that the investigation found evidence of offers of Russian assistance that were, at times, welcomed by the Trump campaign and other times were rebuffed.

Meanwhile, most of the rigged election lawsuits have resulted in sanctions against the attorneys.

Evidence insufficient to support a charge of criminal conspiracy > “evidence” that gets lawyers sanctioned for violating their duty of candor.

The two are not comparable.
 
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C-south said:
Kind of like whistleblowers that like to hide behind anonymity. I’m sure the ones that have came out the last few months you were quick to dismiss.
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No, I don't ever dismiss any of them until they don't show up to testify or they disappear from the face of the earth, or they are under criminal investigation and are arrested. Better yet I dismiss them all when the Chairman who is conducting the investigation decides not to show up on the day of a whistleblower and states he was present when the official record states he was not in attendance. BTW, the whistleblower folded under direct questioning.

Those two are examples and though they were called "whistleblowers"; they were probably hired guns that would not pull the trigger under oath. My thoughts/assumptions it was for the fear of Perjury.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You’re getting your news from the “rigged election” folks if you're making the two out to be equivalent. (Cc: @GAVol)

There was a special counsel report, senate report, inspector general report, and then another special counsel report that all found or conceded that the Russian government had determined that a Trump presidency was in their interest and had acted accordingly with respect to election propaganda. All of those reports also found or conceded that investigation of the campaign was warranted and that the investigation found evidence of offers of Russian assistance that were, at times, welcomed by the Trump campaign and other times were rebuffed.

Meanwhile, most of the rigged election lawsuits have resulted in sanctions against the attorneys.

Evidence insufficient to support a charge of criminal conspiracy > “evidence” that gets lawyers sanctioned for violating their duty of candor.

The two are not comparable.
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I didn't link it to the rigged election talk.

It was a more general comment that conspiracy theories and adapting counter evidence isn't limited to the current Trump indictments; we saw some of it in our years long dissection of the Russiagate ridiculousness -from those who were damn sure Trump was a Russian puppet.
 
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volinbham said:
he didn't want to pull out of NATO - he wanted NATO members to pay their fair share - guess what? he was partially successful in getting them to do so. hardly fits the Russian collusion narrative so the approach is to say Trump's goal was to get us out of NATO completely (when the facts go against the conspiracy change the facts to fit the conspiracy).

Nothing he did with regard to NATO played into Putin's hands - they were more committed as a whole than prior. Why do you think NATO members stepped up and increased their contributions and how did that play into Putin's hands?
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/trump-privately-said-he-wanted-to-pull-us-from-nato-report.html

Trump’s whiplash NATO summit

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314432-trump-nato-is-obsolete/
 
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Sudden Impact said:
No, I don't ever dismiss any of them until they don't show up to testify or they disappear from the face of the earth, or they are under criminal investigation and are arrested. Better yet I dismiss them all when the Chairman who is conducting the investigation decides not to show up on the day of a whistleblower and states he was present when the official record states he was not in attendance. BTW, the whistleblower folded under direct questioning.

Those two are examples and though they were called "whistleblowers"; they were probably hired guns that would not pull the trigger under oath. My thoughts/assumptions it was for the fear of Perjury.
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In other words you believe the ones you want to believe.
 
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C-south said:
They should try and kill a Supreme Court justice or go protest outside their home when law enforcement is told not to arrest anyone.
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I remember the right-wing outrage over the protests outside of Kavanuagh and Coney-Barrett's homes. I'm not surprised that the only response to this that we are hearing from the right involves deflection (just like your post).

The outrage was selective. You only care when it is conservatives who are being harassed.
 
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