The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[Sudden Impact]

It's never been against the law in the past? Why now?

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3 years later it is still not illegal, but it makes no sense and it is not illegal to indict as well. Nor is it Election interference because the law is there to punish those that commit crimes and to determine guilt or innocent. It is foolish to contest an election and not let go when it does not go your way.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

It is foolish to contest an election and not let go when it does not go your way.

So is it your estimation that the "Battle of Athens" was foolish? They should have let the corrupt mayor and police stay in charge? The veterans shopuld have just meekly accepted that elections would be rigged and they had no say in government? Is that your position? This seems abhorant to Tennessee state tradition.

 

[Orangeslice13]

He has no ability to set aside his ego. If had any self control at all, he probably cakewalks into a second term.

Narcissistic personality disorder: Symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I didn't realize standing up for the law, right and wrong, and not cowering to crony tyrants was a sign of narcissism. I shall have to revaluate our founding fathers.

 

[RockyTop85]

No idea what we’re arguing about.

You said:

In other words, conspiracies are OK if it's about the other side. "Russian collusion" was as much of a goose chase as "rigged elections".

To somebody saying something similar, I said:

You’re getting your news from the “rigged election” folks if you're making the two out to be equivalent. (Cc: @GAVol)

There was a special counsel report, senate report, inspector general report, and then another special counsel report that all found or conceded that the Russian government had determined that a Trump presidency was in their interest and had acted accordingly with respect to election propaganda. All of those reports also found or conceded that investigation of the campaign was warranted and that the investigation found evidence of offers of Russian assistance that were, at times, welcomed by the Trump campaign and other times were rebuffed.

Meanwhile, most of the rigged election lawsuits have resulted in sanctions against the attorneys.

Evidence insufficient to support a charge of criminal conspiracy > “evidence” that gets lawyers sanctioned for violating their duty of candor.

The two are not comparable.

Also, Motte-and-bailey fallacy - Wikipedia

Hope that helps.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[clarksvol00]

For her sake I hope the answer is no

Donald Trump might get conjugal visits with Melania if he's sent to priso

I don't think he can make her show up to the prison.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I didn't realize standing up for the law, right and wrong, and not cowering to crony tyrants was a sign of narcissism. I shall have to revaluate our founding fathers.

Wait?
You think Trump did that?

 

[evillawyer]

I didn't realize standing up for the law, right and wrong, and not cowering to crony tyrants was a sign of narcissism. I shall have to revaluate our founding fathers.

 

[clarksvol00]

10s of thousands of affidavits and cases were dismissed on standing and moot...

Have you read any of those affidavits? Most of the "smoking guns" were affidavits that said things like, "I saw something, I didn't know what it was, but I assume it was something involving election fraud."

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Wait?
You think Trump did that?

Did that and is doing that. I think, and I would add per polls the majority of Americans think that election fraud did take place. As CiC it is absolutely apart of his job to maintain rule of law and legal and fair elections. I think he was absolutely in his right to question and even require validation of ballots, and it still is. I am hoping via the current indictment via supoena power the evidence is heard. What would be the advantage for having a nation where even when a large significant portion of the public no longer has faith in the electorial process, but has no right to contest? Is that a nation we want to live in? Yes I do think Trump rightly questioned the results, and no courts did not ever either validate or invalidate the evidence.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Did that and is doing that. I think, and I would add per polls the majority of Americans think that election fraud did take place. As CiC it is absolutely apart of his job to maintain rule of law and legal and fair elections. I think he was absolutely in his right to question and even require validation of ballots, and it still is. I am hoping via the current indictment via supoena power the evidence is heard. What would be the advantage for having a nation where even when a large significant portion of the public no longer has faith in the electorial process, but has no right to contest? Is that a nation we want to live in? Yes I do think Trump rightly questioned the results, and no courts did not ever either validate or invalidate the evidence.

The guy could’ve done exactly what you think and been effective doing it. Re-elected in a landslide. All he had to do was STFU and get off twitter.
He couldn’t stfu. And do you know why he talks even when he knows it’s going to hurt him?

It involves Narcissism

 

[RockyTop85]

Did that and is doing that. I think, and I would add per polls the majority of Americans think that election fraud did take place. As CiC it is absolutely apart of his job to maintain rule of law and legal and fair elections. I think he was absolutely in his right to question and even require validation of ballots, and it still is. I am hoping via the current indictment via supoena power the evidence is heard. What would be the advantage for having a nation where even when a large significant portion of the public no longer has faith in the electorial process, but has no right to contest? Is that a nation we want to live in? Yes I do think Trump rightly questioned the results, and no courts did not ever either validate or invalidate the evidence.

Trump Wisconsin lawsuit dismissed by federal judge

"This court allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits. In his reply brief, plaintiff 'asks that the Rule of Law be followed.' It has been."

US District Court Judge Brett Ludwig doesn’t count?

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

I didn't realize standing up for the law, right and wrong, and not cowering to crony tyrants was a sign of narcissism. I shall have to revaluate our founding fathers.

Trump doesn’t give two rat turds about standing up for what’s right. Trump is all about Trump. If he cared about doing what’s right, if he cared about the future of this country, he wouldn’t be running in the 2024 election because his presence does nothing but benefit the left. If you want there to be any chance of getting the Democrats out of the White House, put Trump in the past and support someone else.

 

[GAVol]

You said:

To somebody saying something similar, I said:

Also, Motte-and-bailey fallacy - Wikipedia

Hope that helps.

Not really. All I'm saying is that despite the fact that both believe they have the high ground, Russiagate-ists and election deniers share some common traits - namely that they breathlessly exaggerate claims based on political bias despite a lack of substantiation.

 

[GAVol]

Narcissistic personality disorder: Symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment

No doubt about it.

 

[clarksvol00]

The guy could’ve done exactly what you think and been effective doing it. Re-elected in a landslide. All he had to do was STFU and get off twitter.
He couldn’t stfu. And do you know why he talks even when he knows it’s going to hurt him?

It involves Narcissism

Sociopath.

 

[evillawyer]

Whomp whomp leg-humpers

 

[Orangeslice13]

Sociopath.

Nope

There’s a very big piece missing for that to be true

 

[BowlBrother85]

It's never been against the law in the past? Why now?

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Trump did much more than that. Challenging the outcome of an election with law suits was well within his right, even when they were frivolous law suits. The alternate elector scheme was not well within his rights. It involved the forging of electoral certificates, and it involved pressuring a sitting Vice President into declining to count votes from legally chosen slates of electors, which neither the United States Constitution or Federal Election law allows for.

Additionally, Trump's phone call with Georgia's Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, involved Trump directly pressuring a state election official to alter the vote count, or in Trump's own words, " Find" one more vote than what he needed to win the election.

Any rational thinking adult, should be able to understand why these things marked a conflict of interest and were afoul of the law. Trump was wrong to conduct himself in such a self-serving manner, as President of the United States. The incredible lengths that his cult will go to in order to defend him are insane. You people need a life of your own. You are pathetic and sad.

 

[BowlBrother85]

This is just another reference to the call for "faithless electors," which Ari Melber of MSNBC said would not change the outcome. It was wrong of her to make such a suggestion, but unlike Trump's alternate elector scheme, it did not involve forgery ... or a Vice President playing a key role in overturning the outcome of his own defeat. Joe Biden was VP, and not even on the ballot in 2016.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Trump did much more than that. Challenging the outcome of an election with law suits was well within his right, even when they were frivolous law suits. The alternate elector scheme was not well within his rights. It involved the forging of electoral certificates, and it involved pressuring a sitting Vice President into declining to count votes from legally chosen slates of electors, which neither the United States Constitution or Federal Election law allows for.

Fake news.
The Left's 2020 ‘Fake Electors’ Narrative Is Fake News

Additionally, Trump's phone call with Georgia's Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, involved Trump directly pressuring a state election official to alter the vote count, or in Trump's own words, " Find" one more vote than what he needed to win the election.

Soundbite edited to remove context. If you see the full statement it did no such thing.

Any rational thinking adult, should be able to understand why these things marked a conflict of interest and were afoul of the law. Trump was wrong to conduct himself in such a self-serving manner, as President of the United States. The incredible lengths that his cult will go to in order to defend him are insane. You people need a life of your own. You are pathetic and sad.

1) A rational and thinking adult would consider a greater conflict of interest to be throwing indictments at a political rival during an election. 2) A rational and critically thinking adult would recognize that the conflict of interest is not independent on whether there was election fraud but quite dependent on it. If there was election fraud, there is no conflict of interest this is illegal. As President of the executive enforcing our federal laws is his number one priority.

Luckily polls are showing most Americans are agreeing that the indictments are BS and this is textbook political surpression and an abuse of the courts for political means. Keep it up, it's doing wonders.

Please find a rational and thinking adult before telling me what a rational thinking adult would or would nolt do. I do not find your argument factual, rational, or thinking, but rather parroting of MSM narratives.

 

[Orangeburst]

Fake news.
The Left's 2020 ‘Fake Electors’ Narrative Is Fake News


Soundbite edited to remove context. If you see the full statement it did no such thing.



1) A rational and thinking adult would consider a greater conflict of interest to be throwing indictments at a political rival during an election. 2) A rational and critically thinking adult would recognize that the conflict of interest is not independent on whether there was election fraud but quite dependent on it. If there was election fraud, there is no conflict of interest this is illegal. As President of the executive enforcing our federal laws is his number one priority.

Luckily polls are showing most Americans are agreeing that the indictments are BS and this is textbook political surpression and an abuse of the courts for political means. Keep it up, it's doing wonders.

Please find a rational and thinking adult before telling me what a rational thinking adult would or would nolt do. I do not find your argument factual, rational, or thinking, but rather parroting of MSM narratives.

careful now..he will argue for days about rings of a diary

 

[Vol since 77]

Not really. All I'm saying is that despite the fact that both believe they have the high ground, Russiagate-ists and election deniers share some common traits - namely that they breathlessly exaggerate claims based on political bias despite a lack of substantiation.

You're wasting your time with a partisan hack. 90% or more of posts in the PF are one side attacking the other, when both of them are to blame for where this country is today. I firmly believe it gets worse from here until the end of time unfortunately.

 

[BowlBrother85]

There is NOTHING that this 77 year old child won't whine about. Donald Trump is always playing the victim, even when it involves a staunch ally, such as Fox News. Someone has always done him wrong.

Trump says Fox News uses ‘the absolutely worst pictures of me’

Trump attacks Fox for using ‘worst’ photos of him: ‘Especially the big orange one’

Here are a couple of ideas ...

If you don't like appearing orange, in pictures taken of you, then don't apply a spray tan to the surface of your skin which will reflect an orange hue when you are standing under direct light.

If you don't like having a double (or triple?) chin in pictures taken of you, then you should try to lose some weight.