The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[luthervol]

Is this you admitting Biden sucks? And you’re to blame…because you asked better off now. 2016-2020 we were thriving and had an extra $700 under Trump.

Not at all. My question was clear -- I thought.
Do you think the nation is better off today (8/27/23) because Trump won in 2016?
Stated another way.
Do you think we would be better off today had Trump lost in 2016 - either the primary or general?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Looks like crime does pay.

USD $ 244,213 Raised

 

[luthervol]

I love the argument that Trump 2016 election was bad even tho for 3 years the US and world thrived, they vote him out and everything turn to shyt. And it's Trump fault for winning an election 6 years ago.. liberal logic

It's amazing that you guys can't simply answer the question.

 

[whodeycin85]

It's amazing that you guys can't simply answer the question.

The world was better for 3 years...then you socialists continued your propaganda and attacks enough to fool easily swayed voters...so the end result of y'all hate fro Trump has left us in a worse place when prior to 2021 we were thriving

 

[Sudden Impact]

I do wonder what level of statistical anomalies is unacceptable for Dems to admit there was fraud???

There wasn't enough fraud to be concerned with why bother. The guestion is why are we still talking about it. the reason is because 1) Trump could not get over it and 2) Trump was indicted 4 times 3) Republicans stand a chance to lose big time 4) There are more indictments coming. So making a big deal of this is important to salvage the party. MTG and others are next in line...Republicans have lost control of their own Party to Trump.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Th significance isn't for Trump winning ..it because of abnormal voting results in a year where there where legitimate chain of custody questions...mail out ballots, harvesting with no chain of custody...no tracking of ballot once the envelope is discarded....signature verification and at a higher then normal acceptance rate....many questions that should have required massive audit for just a few states...recounts ate not audits, having no access to cpu algorithms...bottom line the dems should have been leading the charge for audits if they had nothing to hide.

Level of significance is a metric used for detailing statistical anomalies. It's analysis that provides the most objective details. Apparently you don't get the nuance of actually detailing the anomalies in a manner that could prove your claims.

 

[jmacvols1]

Do you have any evidence??? Over 60 courts threw out your BS claims. Good luck in 2024, your dumb$$$ cult leader is gonna get beat again…stock up on tissue

There is evidence that has been presented that cheating took place. You cannot claim Biden got 81 million legitimate votes if your life depended on it.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rasmussen-survey-biden-election/2021/10/11/id/1040031/

Most sane people in polling think cheating toook place, even about a third of Democrats believe there was cheating.

Georgia Trump Indictment Divides Voters, But Most Suspect Cheating in 2020

"Democrats strongly approve the charges against former President Donald Trump in Georgia, but a majority of voters still suspect cheating stole the election in 2020."

When are the Dems on this forum going to come around and admit cheating took place like majority of people have?

 

[whodeycin85]

There wasn't enough fraud to be concerned with why bother. The guestion is why are we still talking about it. the reason is because 1) Trump could not get over it and 2) Trump was indicted 4 times 3) Republicans stand a chance to lose big time 4) There are more indictments coming. So making a big deal of this is important to salvage the party. MTG and others are next in line...Republicans have lost control of their own Party to Trump.

So your argument is it doesn't matter if say in 3 years undisputed proof come out that the election was fraudulent, because Trump want let go of it??? So the ends justify the means IYO....?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

So your argument is it doesn't matter if say in 3 years undisputed proof come out that the election was fraudulent, because Trump want let go of it??? So the ends justify the means IYO....?

"Want" or "won't" ?

 

[whodeycin85]

Level of significance is a metric used for detailing statistical anomalies. It's analysis that provides the most objective details. Apparently you don't get the nuance of actually detailing the anomalies in a manner that could prove your claims.

So when 500k vote spikes in which there is a .1% statical chance in an election where I. Those state it would have changed the winner, your position is what exactly???

 

[whodeycin85]

"Want" or "won't" ?

This is the post that you'll use to eventually tell me how intelligent I am because my phone autocorrected???

 

[Sudden Impact]

So your argument is it doesn't matter if say in 3 years undisputed proof come out that the election was fraudulent, because Trump want let go of it??? So the ends justify the means IYO....?

I just think it is ridiculous that had Trump Conceded knowing he lost the election, kept his mouth shut that he would be a shoe-in. He stupidly chose to ignore the advice of some and did it his way. A self inflicted painful chest wound. Instead we have a ton of Trump Junkies screaming about it

 

[whodeycin85]

I just think it is ridiculous that had Trump Conceded knowing he lost the election, kept his mouth shut that he would be a shoe-in. He stupidly chose to ignore the advice of some and did it his way. A self inflicted painful chest wound. Instead we have a ton of Trump Junkies screaming about it

That's not what I asked? Or is your deflection your answer?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

So when 500k vote spikes in which there is a .1% statical chance in an election where I. Those state it would have changed the winner, your position is what exactly???

Details. States. Districts. Was the spike legitimate? Is there concrete data of the spike being fabricated? If so, has that claim been vetted? You do realize claims of fraud must be vetted as to their legitimacy, right? How many people voted in the district you're claiming fraud? You obviously have no concept of a statistical level of significance that is needed to prove a claim of fraud

And BTW, most of the actual fraud in the 2020 election has been against Republicans. At least the fraud that has been proven

 

[luthervol]

The world was better for 3 years...then you socialists continued your propaganda and attacks enough to fool easily swayed voters...so the end result of y'all hate fro Trump has left us in a worse place when prior to 2021 we were thriving

I guess I understand why you don't wish to answer.

 

[rekinhavoc]

We spend 200 million on a jet fighter. I'd rather have an appropriate and needed investigation.

So you are good on investigating the Bidens?

 

[luthervol]

There is evidence that has been presented that cheating took place. You cannot claim Biden got 81 million legitimate votes if your life depended on it.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rasmussen-survey-biden-election/2021/10/11/id/1040031/

Most sane people in polling think cheating toook place, even about a third of Democrats believe there was cheating.

Georgia Trump Indictment Divides Voters, But Most Suspect Cheating in 2020

"Democrats strongly approve the charges against former President Donald Trump in Georgia, but a majority of voters still suspect cheating stole the election in 2020."

When are the Dems on this forum going to come around and admit cheating took place like majority of people have?

I have always admitted that there has been cheating in every presidential election in the history of the country.
It's never a question of if - but how much.

Biden benefited less from "cheating" in 2020 than Trump benefited from Russian interference in 2016.
Only a fool would claim no cheating took place.
Only a fool would claim that Trump did not benefit from Russian interference and targeted propaganda.

My guess is that 0.003% of Biden's vote was due to "cheating", while 4.2% of Trump's vote was due to Russian influence.

 

[whodeycin85]

Details. States. Districts. Was the spike legitimate? Is there concrete data of the spike being fabricated? If so, has that claim been vetted? You do realize claims of fraud must be vetted as to their legitimacy, right? How many people voted in the district you're claiming fraud? You obviously have no concept of a statistical level of significance that is needed to prove a claim of fraud

And BTW, most of the actual fraud in the 2020 election has been against Republicans. At least the fraud that has been proven

An update in Michigan listed as of 6:31AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 141,258 votes for Joe Biden and 5,968 votes for Donald Trump

An update in Wisconsin listed as 3:42AM Central Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 143,379 votes for Joe Biden and 25,163 votes for Donald Trump

A vote update in Georgia listed at 1:34AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 136,155 votes for Joe Biden and 29,115 votes for Donald Trump

An update in Michigan listed as of 3:50AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 54,497 votes for Joe Biden and 4,718 votes for Donald Trump

There is breakdown the statical spikes ..

Here a link to the breakdown
Anomalies in Vote Counts and Their Effects on Election 2020

These all were never investigated or seen by courts...the were shown an dismissed by local voting governance but ignored

 

[luthervol]

So you are good on investigating the Bidens?

Of course....if evidence justifies.

All the Trumpers in DC would love nothing more than to investigate Biden. They are dying to come up with something, anything, which they can use against him. If they had it, we all know they would go for it. If they have nothing, they will just scream and shout and act as if they do but that the system is rigged agains the Trumpers.

We've all seen how it has played out.

 

[evillawyer]

Of course....if evidence justifies.

All the Trumpers in DC would love nothing more than to investigate Biden. They are dying to come up with something, anything, which they can use against him. If they had it, we all know they would go for it. If they have nothing, they will just scream and shout and act as if they do but that the system is rigged agains the Trumpers.

We've all seen how it has played out.

That's the Truth, Ruth!

 

[rekinhavoc]

EL and Luther are consistent.

 

[jwilliams]

My goodness. You're conflating and deflecting into other subjects in a thread specifically about Trump's criminal indictments. I suppose you're just too tribal in your thinking and beliefs to grasp the fact these criminal indictments were all handed down from evidence gathered from 100% Trump Republicans.

And BTW, I hope Joe goes to jail too

The election results are tge crux of the indictments. There are no "Trump Republicans. "

 

[Sudden Impact]

I just think it is ridiculous that had Trump Conceded knowing he lost the election, kept his mouth shut that he would be a shoe-in. He stupidly chose to ignore the advice of some and did it his way. A self inflicted painful chest wound. Instead we have a ton of Trump Junkies screaming about it

Donald Trump contested the election 9 months before the 1st vote was tallied. He set the stage up for this and telegraphed this long before votes were counted. Tried to defund and cut funding for the USPS for no feasible reason.

 

[luthervol]

Donald Trump contested the election 9 months before the 1st vote was tallied. He set the stage up for this and telegraphed this long before votes were counted. Tried to defund and cut funding for the USPS for no feasible reason.

True. It was well telegraphed.
I remember frequent discussions prior to the election in the PF about how Trump would respond to losing. There were many who said Trump would accept the loss and the transition would be as smooth as previous transitions.
Most of us knew that was total BS.

 

[AM64]

Unfortunately there's no way to do an audit because of the way mail in ballots are done. Once the outer envelope is thrown away, you can no longer verify it. If you were going to design a way to cheat and cover you're tracks, you'd do it exactly the way our country does it.

It wasn't done by accident either; all the lefties needed was a catalyst which another group of leftists supplied. Never let a "crisis" go unused when you have an agenda.