The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[ClearwaterVol]

There is evidence that has been presented that cheating took place. You cannot claim Biden got 81 million legitimate votes if your life depended on it.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rasmussen-survey-biden-election/2021/10/11/id/1040031/

Most sane people in polling think cheating toook place, even about a third of Democrats believe there was cheating.

Georgia Trump Indictment Divides Voters, But Most Suspect Cheating in 2020

"Democrats strongly approve the charges against former President Donald Trump in Georgia, but a majority of voters still suspect cheating stole the election in 2020."

When are the Dems on this forum going to come around and admit cheating took place like majority of people have?

Point #1 - Of course I can. Biden is sitting in the Whitehouse after winning the election.

Point # 2 - There is some level of cheating that happens in every election. Is it widespread or isolated incidents.

Point #3 - I did. However, not to any great degree.

You conveniently ignore that most people believe that Trump attempted to steal an election by illegal means because he couldn't prove widespread cheating in the election.

 

[Orangeslice13]

But your argument is that people weren't really voting for Obama. They were voting against McCain and Romney? I didn't get that sense. Especially in 2008.

I don’t speak in absolute statements.
My brother absolutely voted against Obama. And there were others. Obama was not a great candidate either.
You may not have gotten the sense of it but it was absolutely there.

 

[whodeycin85]

So you have a lack of understanding as to what a Centrist is in a political democratic environment.
A Centrist can be a Republican, Democrat, or an Independent. By definition, A Moderate.
A Centrist believes that the government should be ran from the Center, not the extremes.
A Centrist will vote in support of any resolution that supports a Moderate stance.
If the truth were known Congress probably has 60% Moderate Centrist in it today.
The problem is that the Extremists from both sides of the Aisles have created an Environment that has turned this into a Tribal warfare in Congress.
Trump and henchmen created the lines currently created in Congress.
He ran off several Centrist and the Republican Party could not and would not reign him in to the fold because he conned them as well. IOW, what seemed like a good idea at first, turned into a nightmare for Republican Party.

I understand what a centrist is, thank you for your definition. Being centrist only works when all sides work from the center... Problem is the left has been extreme for a long time while the right had rolled over and taken it to seem more moderate. The reason extremes are showing on the right now is because people are expressing their beliefs instead of appeasing the left. There will never be a center in the Dem party

 

[BowlBrother85]

I don’t speak in absolute statements.
My brother absolutely voted against Obama. And there were others. Obama was not a great candidate either.
You may not have gotten the sense of it but it was absolutely there.

It certainly wasn't prevalent. Obama won several red states, including Iowa and Indiana. He basically swept the swing states. Obama was a great candidate. The facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It certainly wasn't prevalent. Obama won several red states, including Iowa and Indiana. He basically swept the swing states. Obama was a great candidate. The facts don't care about your feelings.

Says you. I heard it many times. And you don’t have facts. You have opinions and your feelings.
Unless you’re planning on digging out a reviewed study

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I'm saying the process in general is too expensive. Consider the he said/ she said game when TN football players were charged, kicked off the team, etc. A lot of people charged really aren't guilty; should they have to pay to remain free? How about when someone is found not guilty that the person or jurisdiction bringing the charges pays all the legal fees? When it's really blatant that the prosecuting body slipped one over on a grand jury that they are personally responsible?

Senseless trash suits etc should absolutely have to pay defense costs...but then you have to becareful....because larger entities financially can then make even harder for anyone to ever sue them etc. In Criminal cases I feel like defendents court costs should always be paid if not guilty up to a predetermined amount. Might calm down over zealous DA's.

 

[BowlBrother85]

An update in Michigan listed as of 6:31AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 141,258 votes for Joe Biden and 5,968 votes for Donald Trump

An update in Wisconsin listed as 3:42AM Central Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 143,379 votes for Joe Biden and 25,163 votes for Donald Trump

A vote update in Georgia listed at 1:34AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 136,155 votes for Joe Biden and 29,115 votes for Donald Trump

An update in Michigan listed as of 3:50AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 54,497 votes for Joe Biden and 4,718 votes for Donald Trump

There is breakdown the statical spikes ..

Here a link to the breakdown
Anomalies in Vote Counts and Their Effects on Election 2020

These all were never investigated or seen by courts...the were shown an dismissed by local voting governance but ignored

You are rehashing a lot of old, debunked allegations.

Fact check: Vote spikes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania do not prove election fraud

Social media users have been sharing posts claiming that during the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4 there were vote dumps of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots only for Democrat Joe Biden in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, suggesting this proves voter fraud allegations...

www.reuters.com

No, Joe Biden Wasn’t Suddenly Awarded 138,000 Votes in Michigan (Published 2020)

Screenshots of an election map suggested that 100 percent of a vote update in Michigan went to Mr. Biden. The reason: A typo that was quickly fixed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[BowlBrother85]

Says you. I heard it many times. And you don’t have facts. You have opinions and your feelings.
Unless you’re planning on digging out a reviewed study

Your anecdotal evidence is not as meaningful as the electoral college vote totals. Sorry. Obama swept the 2008 swing states. That's reality.

 

[whodeycin85]

You are rehashing a lot of old, debunked allegations.

Fact check: Vote spikes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania do not prove election fraud

Social media users have been sharing posts claiming that during the night of Nov. 3 to Nov. 4 there were vote dumps of hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots only for Democrat Joe Biden in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, suggesting this proves voter fraud allegations...

www.reuters.com

No, Joe Biden Wasn’t Suddenly Awarded 138,000 Votes in Michigan (Published 2020)

Screenshots of an election map suggested that 100 percent of a vote update in Michigan went to Mr. Biden. The reason: A typo that was quickly fixed.

www.nytimes.com

I appreciate your commitment to your party. Your fact check states in the conclusion that they're were spikes which is what I said. What your check don't argue is the statical anomalies of those spikes. I never said they all went for Joe which is what both those argue. But thanks for your fact checking something that wasn't stated.
Also the math etc, is pretty well laid out in the article I posted. I'm sure your didn't even read it

 

[BowlBrother85]

I appreciate your commitment to your party. Your fact check states in the conclusion that they're were spikes which is what I said. What your check don't argue is the statical anomalies of those spikes. I never said they all went for Joe which is what both those argue. But thanks for your fact checking something that wasn't stated.
Also the math etc, is pretty well laid out in the article I posted. I'm sure your didn't even read it

I'm familiar with those claims of fraud ... but the spikes were not proof of fraud, and they are explained in those articles. There is no credible evidence that Trump was cheated.

 

[whodeycin85]

I'm familiar with those claims of fraud ... but the spikes were not proof of fraud, and they are explained in those articles. There is no credible evidence that Trump was cheated.

Didn't say they were fraud, thank you for proving you won't read anything outside of your echo chamber. I stated that there were .1% statical chance of the spikes. It's enough along with chain of custody issues (proven) for audits to be done. If there was nothing wrong with the why are Dems fighting against transparency in elections?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Didn't say they were fraud, I stated that they were .1% statical chance of the spikes. It's enough among with chain of custody issues (proven) for audits to be done. If there was nothing wrong with the why are Dems fighting against transparency in elections?

.... and that is wrong. Those spikes occurred in left-leaning urban counties such as Milwaukee, as the Reuters article states.

 

[whodeycin85]

.... and that is wrong. Those spikes occurred in left-leaning urban counties such as Milwaukee, as the Reuters article states.

Read the article I posted... It breaks down the math... Not an opinion in a fact checker. I know you won't so, we can just stop the back and forth it's pointless.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Read the article I posted... It breaks down the math... Not an opinion in a fact checker. I know you won't so, we can just stop the back and forth it's pointless.

The fact checks performed by Reuters and the New York Times are not opinion-based. They are supported with the facts. Of course, it stands to reason that vote dumps in urban counties will be larger and tend to favor Democrats. You are the one arguing against what can be proven.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I understand what a centrist is, thank you for your definition. Being centrist only works when all sides work from the center... Problem is the left has been extreme for a long time while the right had rolled over and taken it to seem more moderate. The reason extremes are showing on the right now is because people are expressing their beliefs instead of appeasing the left. There will never be a center in the Dem party

What complete and utter bullspit.

 

[whodeycin85]

The fact checks performed by Reuters and the New York Times are not opinion-based. They are supported with the facts. Of course, it stands to reason that vote dumps in urban counties will be larger and tend to favor Democrats. You are the one arguing against what can be proven.

But not at the statical probability they did. Hence the anomaly. Read what I posted and dispute the math.

 

[whodeycin85]

What complete and utter bullspit.

What an extreme and tolerant response. Thank you for proving my point

 

[sonofUT62]

Ever noticed how the trumpers arguments never really are centered around the facts and instead how they look to just tarnish the messengers?

I guess when the facts aren't on your side you have to gin up a narrative.

Must have been how Bills accusers felt after Hilary slut shamed them.

 

[BowlBrother85]

But not at the statical probability they did. Hence the anomaly. Read what I posted and dispute the math.

That is just wrong .... Milwaukee County is overwhelmingly Democratic. Obama carried it by much bigger numbers than Biden did.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Read the article I posted... It breaks down the math... Not an opinion in a fact checker. I know you won't so, we can just stop the back and forth it's pointless.

Why would anyone read an article that opposes their world view, when they care more about their world view then finding the truth? I commend the effort, but your wasting time on them. All the same I understand for posterity and all that. But these iudiots will never use logic, and reason, and objectively look at information to decide a position. They only know to choose a position emotionally, and then choose their facts according to that position, and cover their eyes and ears if anything pokes holes in that.

 

[sonofUT62]

It certainly wasn't prevalent. Obama won several red states, including Iowa and Indiana. He basically swept the swing states. Obama was a great candidate. The facts don't care about your feelings.

Beating a hateful warmonger and a complete lunatic from Alaska doesn’t make you GREAT candidate. You can argue that he was the better candidate but it’s a really low bar. And then 4 years later it got lower.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Why would anyone read an article that opposes their world view, when they care more about their world view then finding the truth? I commend the effort, but your wasting time on them. All the same I understand for posterity and all that. But these iudiots will never use logic, and reason, and objectively look at information to decide a position. They only know to choose a position emotionally, and then choose their facts according to that position, and cover their eyes and ears if anything pokes holes in that.

It is your side which is arguing against a fundamental reality : Joe Biden won the 2020 Presidential Election. Systemic fraud has not been proven.

 

[evillawyer]

March 4th!

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

It is your side which is arguing against a fundamental reality : Joe Biden won the 2020 Presidential Election. Systemic fraud has not been proven.

WRONG.



And no matter how many times you repeat that lie it will not make it so. The numbers and math will always speak for themselves.

 

[BowlBrother85]

WRONG.

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And no matter how many times you repeat that lie it will not make it so. The numbers and math will always speak for themselves.

LOL.

It's funny that you think that proves something. The numbers do speak for themselves. Biden won Wisconsin, largely because he carried Milwaukee County by such a large margin. In turn, Biden won the Presidency. I don't have to prove a thing .... The facts are with me.