The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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clarksvol00 said:
"I have a pen and a phone," induces seizures for Trumpers/Tea Party remnants. Come at me @Orangeslice13
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Minding my own business searching fly rods and I get an email alert…..I’m thinking it must be important….let me check it. ………..wrong. I think I did that to @MercyPercy in a business meeting once.


Ok, where were we?


I call out ******** when I see it.
I prefer to wait to you don’t realize you did it.



Hope you’re having a good evening.
Back to the fly rods….
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Minding my own business searching fly rods and I get an email alert…..I’m thinking it must be important….let me check it. ………..wrong. I think I did that to @MercyPercy in a business meeting once.


Ok, where were we?


I call out ******** when I see it.
I prefer to wait to you don’t realize you did it.



Hope you’re having a good evening.
Back to the fly rods….
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Have fun with the fly rods. Still waiting to figure out where I claimed anything. Not sure how a sarcastic comment got your feathers so ruffled to start with, but I'm probably going to hassle you some more.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Have fun with the fly rods. Still waiting to figure out where I claimed anything. Not sure how a sarcastic comment got your feathers so ruffled to start with, but I'm probably going to hassle you some more.
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Meh.
Some people are just more fun to poke at than others.
These days I limit that to those who…….are not fragile…..is probably the best way to say it
 
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luthervol said:
Are you saying Trump was unaware that his tweets were hurting his chance for reelection?
I remember a lot of Trump supporters in the PF saying they wish he would just put the phone down.

Why didn't he?
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Trump is marketing through and through ... the kind that believes there is no bad press. The one thing I'll agree with you about is that is no way to be a president. Reagan was an actor - looked like a good president. Carter was a buffoon; incompetent but acted like a nice guy. One Bush put on a good professional front but was relatively inept; the other looked like a clown out of position and inept. Clinton was a carnival barker - all charm and all con. Obama was the great divider - pandered to one group to the expense of the nation. Biden is just a fool, and that's all he'll ever be ... and that's ignoring the really bad qualities. The sad part is the electorate accepts this and doesn't demand more; the really sad part is that politicians keep the electorate divided, and an electorate divided can't demand better ... they just take the swill slopped on the plate.
 
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volfanhill said:
Trump wanted more than Biden in Covid relief. He's just as responsible for inflation as Biden outside of energy inflation.


www.cnbc.com

Trump calls Covid relief bill unsuitable and demands Congress add bigger stimulus payments

President Trump, in a stunning tweet, called the $900 billion Covid relief bill passed by Congress an unsuitable "disgrace."
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I've always thought that line of thinking way to shallow. It seemed far more like the powers that be looked around at all the news, the deaths, the run on medical facilities, the incompetence and utter failure in emergency preparedness, and they panicked. I've never believed the covid relief was about individuals; rather it was about keeping people who might not be able to work from panic and loss of control, and it was about keeping business and banking whole to prevent collapse of the economy. Whether any of that might have happened, I believe the people running the show were afraid it might and started throwing money around. Far easier to appear capable of managing, placate people, and prevent panic than stop it if people were running short of funds.

I don't believe any person in office would have done much different ... except act more professional - nobody was going to and still won't admit that government health agencies and emergency response abilities were garbage because that would expose multiple administrations and congresses as inept, incompetent, reckless, foolish, and the DC bureaucracies as complete wastes of time, space, and money.
 
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AM64 said:
I've always thought that line of thinking way to shallow. It seemed far more like the powers that be looked around at all the news, the deaths, the run on medical facilities, the incompetence and utter failure in emergency preparedness, and they panicked. I've never believed the covid relief was about individuals; rather it was about keeping people who might not be able to work from panic and loss of control, and it was about keeping business and banking whole to prevent collapse of the economy. Whether any of that might have happened, I believe the people running the show were afraid it might and started throwing money around. Far easier to appear capable of managing, placate people, and prevent panic than stop it if people were running short of funds.

I don't believe any person in office would have done much different ... except act more professional - nobody was going to and still won't admit that government health agencies and emergency response abilities were garbage because that would expose multiple administrations and congresses as inept, incompetent, reckless, foolish, and the DC bureaucracies as complete wastes of time, space, and money.
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I've always thought the buck stops with the chief executive. He trotted him out. Allowed him to be the face of the pandemic response for his admin. By the time he realized it was not good it was too late. He's to blame. His call. He should have made himself the face.
 
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volfanhill said:
I've always thought the buck stops with the chief executive. He trotted him out. Allowed him to be the face of the pandemic response for his admin. By the time he realized it was not good it was too late. He's to blame. His call. He should have made himself the face.
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Granted nobody seemed to know **** about it. The President was not an expert on pandemics so how could he be. He made regular appearances with Pence, but he couldn't answer the questions and would of been mocked if he did.
 
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volfanhill said:
I've always thought the buck stops with the chief executive. He trotted him out. Allowed him to be the face of the pandemic response for his admin. By the time he realized it was not good it was too late. He's to blame. His call. He should have made himself the face.
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Of course, the guy at the top is the one with the responsibility. However, he's rarely the one with the detailed knowledge in complex matters. A smart person at that point puts someone technically competent in place to present fact and answer questions. Trump shouldn't have put Fauci on the podium, Fauci appeared to be completely in over his head - literally and figuratively. Trump may well have recognized the problem and tried to brazen it out with what he had, but Fauci just wasn't the one to put on the platform.

It would be almost unbelievable to think that anyone who managed to be elected when taking a look at the NIH, CDC, etc couldn't quickly realize he'd been sold a bill of goods. They originally weren't even up to deciding if covid was transmitted via air - even though it was too virulent to believe otherwise. My guess is Trump saw the mess and tried to put lipstick on a really ugly pig. Want to bet that the biden administration has done nothing to clean up the mess and that future administrations won't address the incompetence either?
 
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Orangeburst said:
Granted nobody seemed to know **** about it. The President was not an expert on pandemics so how could he be. He made regular appearances with Pence, but he couldn't answer the questions and would of been mocked if he did.
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Actually Trump was mocked by the media and others after the media twisted his words - the bleach thing. Blood is extracted, filtered, and replaced in dialysis and there are other treatments that work by extracting blood, exposing it to specific frequency light waves, and then replacing it in the patient. Nothing wrong with "dumb" "what ifs"; I've seen that process turn on lightbulbs many times. I'd think we've all seen it more than once in a classroom.
 
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AM64 said:
Actually Trump was mocked by the media and others after the media twisted his words - the bleach thing. Blood is extracted, filtered, and replaced in dialysis and there are other treatments that work by extracting blood, exposing it to specific frequency light waves, and then replacing it in the patient. Nothing wrong with "dumb" "what ifs"; I've seen that process turn on lightbulbs many times. I'd think we've all seen it more than once in a classroom.
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Got slammed for cutting off China as well. Pelosi witch and her trip to China Town. Everything is so political and we cannot function like this.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Granted nobody seemed to know **** about it. The President was not an expert on pandemics so how could he be. He made regular appearances with Pence, but he couldn't answer the questions and would have been mocked if he did.
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Let’s be honest. Trump made a fool of himself everyone he came to the mic during the pandemic pressers.
 
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bamawriter said:
I answered this already:

It would be pretty stupid to pause a prosecution for the sole purpose of seeing if the defendant earns the right to pardon himself.

But further, if the prosecution should grant some deference to avoiding the appearance of election interference, then what is there to prevent the defendent from announcing his run for congress, governor, mayor, alderman, clerk, etc the day after his loss?
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He had already announced and it is leading by a landslide in polls. Your example doesnt hold weights.

As for him pardoning himself, I dont think he can from State charges in GA. Either way, which is more important, him winning the race and gaining pardon power or the election being interfered with by prosecuting the leading opposition to the one currently in power.

If this was being done anywhere else in the world, America would would strongly denounce that Country.
 
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luthervol said:
What? A president shouldn't be concerned about someone who attempts to steal an election?

Did Trump play a role in all of the false accusations?
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You seem to be arguing in favor of Trump looking at possible voter fraud in GA in 2020, no?
 
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Does it seem odd that Cruz & Graham have gone silent, nationally? Also, McCarthy seems to be walking through a minefield. Should be interesting when they return back to work.
 
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