The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[Orangeslice13]

Let's say Trump is convicted and gets a prison sentence. As a former POTUS, does he keep his SS protection, even in jail?

Lol
That’s a good question

 

[Sudden Impact]

You seem to be arguing in favor of Trump looking at possible voter fraud in GA in 2020, no?

Everybody should be concerned about voter fraud to a point. Once the processes are investigated and the numbers when found do not change the results, then there is a time to let it go. In Trump's case, it appears he went overboard and still has not let it go. Give him GA and it does not change the final outcome, but it will continue to be an issue. Integrity and reasoning are the questions, you would not give your 10 year old child a loaded weapon to play with just because they said so. Would you?

 

[Septic]

Everybody should be concerned about voter fraud to a point. Once the processes are investigated and the numbers when found do not change the results, then there is a time to let it go. In Trump's case, it appears he went overboard and still has not let it go. Give him GA and it does not change the final outcome, but it will continue to be an issue. Integrity is what the question is and you would not give your 10 year old child a loaded weapon to play with just because they said so. Would you?

You are talking to a brick.

 

[clarksvol00]

Lol
That’s a good question

I suspect he would get house arrest at mar-a-lago and charge the prison system for guards and monitoring.

 

[clarksvol00]

I think that has been explained. Do you have trouble reading? Do you need visuals?

No. I think the explanation for not prosecuting politicians by a crowd that used to be all about draining the swamp is ludicrous.

 

[Sudden Impact]

You are talking to a brick.

I understand. Reminds of the man banging his head against the wall and thinking he is successful because he thinks he is winning because the wall is bleeding. You hand him a mirror and he looks into it and still does not realize the blood is from his head. He continues to bang away.

 

[GAVol]

In Trumps biggest moment he turned his platform over to Fauci. He screwed the pooch

Nobody ever seems to remember that Trump created Fauci and massive bailouts that jacked up the money supply and helped create inflation.

 

[bamawriter]

He had already announced and it is leading by a landslide in polls. Your example doesnt hold weights.

They've been investigating him for years. Right or wrong, that's the truth. If his announcement should trump the pursuit of justice, how does that argue against my hypothetical about simply remaining a perennial candidate?

As for him pardoning himself, I dont think he can from State charges in GA. Either way, which is more important, him winning the race and gaining pardon power or the election being interfered with by prosecuting the leading opposition to the one currently in power.

If this was being done anywhere else in the world, America would would strongly denounce that Country.

Perhaps. But if it were done anywhere else in the world, we would strongly denounce an elected leader refusing to acknowledge the results of the democratic process and trying to derail the peaceful transition of power.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I suspect he would get house arrest at mar-a-lago and charge the prison system for guards and monitoring.

Yes.
But it’s still an interesting thought experiment

 

[volgr]

Yes but we all know he’s not going to jail.

The only thing that will save him from that fate is SCOTUS.

 

[volgr]

They've been investigating him for years. Right or wrong, that's the truth. If his announcement should trump the pursuit of justice, how does that argue against my hypothetical about simply remaining a perennial candidate?

You could start the trials right after he loses the 24 Election. Would that not be preferable to the day before Super Tuesday or anytime in 2024?

 

[luthervol]

I am sure J6ers held without bail would have loved their proceedings expedited but I didnt see you calling for it.

lol....You didn't see me say anything about it.
I believe the discussion here is about the proceedings interfering with the election. As far as I know, there were no J6ers being held who were running for office.

 

[Septic]

Nobody ever seems to remember that Trump created Fauci and massive bailouts that jacked up the money supply and helped create inflation.

 

[volgr]

No. I think the explanation for not prosecuting politicians by a crowd that used to be all about draining the swamp is ludicrous.

He will be prosecuted, just a few months later if he loses or at worst 4 years later if he wins.

 

[luthervol]

Trump is marketing through and through ... the kind that believes there is no bad press. The one thing I'll agree with you about is that is no way to be a president. Reagan was an actor - looked like a good president. Carter was a buffoon; incompetent but acted like a nice guy. One Bush put on a good professional front but was relatively inept; the other looked like a clown out of position and inept. Clinton was a carnival barker - all charm and all con. Obama was the great divider - pandered to one group to the expense of the nation. Biden is just a fool, and that's all he'll ever be ... and that's ignoring the really bad qualities. The sad part is the electorate accepts this and doesn't demand more; the really sad part is that politicians keep the electorate divided, and an electorate divided can't demand better ... they just take the swill slopped on the plate.

I would use different descriptors for each of those presidents but I get what you are saying. I'm not sure how we could change the process. Ultimately it is on the voter and the primaries are where we have to do better.

 

[volgr]

lol....You didn't see me say anything about it.
I believe the discussion here is about the proceedings interfering with the election. As far as I know, there were no J6ers being held who were running for office.

I was replying to your trial expedited comment. While we are on the subject though, were J6ers afforded an expedited trial?

Also Trump had an expedited trial on the election issue, where he was found not guilty in his impeachment stemming from it.

 

[luthervol]

If this was being done anywhere else in the world, America would would strongly denounce that Country.

What we would denoucne is another country allowing a known criminal to go uncharged while running for political office.

 

[volgr]

You are talking to a brick.

No one can explain the harm in waiting a few more months to prosecute to allow for free and fair elections.

 

[volgr]

What we would denoucne is another country allowing a known criminal to go uncharged while running for political office.

The "known criminal" is polling neck and neck with Biden.

 

[luthervol]

The "known criminal" is polling neck and neck with Biden.

If he is a known criminal, by all means charge, prosecute, and convict. Anything short of that is unconscionable.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

$700 more per family a month in their pocket and mean tweets.

Trump's economic policies weren't sustainable

 

[bamawriter]

You could start the trials right after he loses the 24 Election. Would that not be preferable to the day before Super Tuesday or anytime in 2024?

Preferable for whom? Is your argument essentially "the American public should vote on whether or not Donald Trump goes to trial,"?

 

[volgr]

If he is a known criminal, by all means charge, prosecute, and convict. Anything short of that is unconscionable.

You cant wait a few months to allow for a free and honest election?

 

[volgr]

Preferable for whom? Is your argument essentially "the American public should vote on whether or not Donald Trump goes to trial,"?

Preferable to the American people who want a free and fair election, where the current President is challenged by his leading opponent.

 

[luthervol]

You cant wait a few months to allow for a free and honest election?

How is it any different? People will be voting with the understanding that Trump may be convicted either way.
It's much better to settle it now while Trump is a private citizen.