The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[Matt2496]

He said Hispanics in a June 2013 tweet are committing an overwhelming amount of violent crime...

I can keep going if you want...

That was before he announced his run for the presidency (June 16, 2015). I thought we were discussing how he got the republican nomination?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The consistency of the snake.

I compared Donald Trump to Bill Clinton and never mentioned Biden, someone else did and I then responded.

Honestly, I know little about Biden's personal life because I knew what he was when he was nominated and didn't need to look closely at him.

Clinton I DID look at more closely, in part because he's a southerner and in part because Dole didn't excite me.

Trump is a snake. That's not a stretch for anyone. We've all voted for snakes before. I had the "pleasure" of voting for Nixon for my first presidential vote. He was "not a crook."

Nice dodge.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The ol' "they all suck so it makes no difference how much they suck" cop out.

LOL Hardly. You can't read for such an 'educated' person.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I don’t think you can extrapolate that comment to include all Hispanics. I don’t think it was a good comment, but I don’t think it was racist against all Hispanics.

He said 4 things in that one quote about the entire country of Mexico. Maybe he was trying to make a nuanced argument. But I doubt it...

 

[luthervol]

Luther you are so FOS, your idea of compromise is "do what I want you to do".

That's simply asinine.

But I thought I only did what I was told to do.

Now you're saying that I insist that people do what I want them to do.

Pick a lane.

Maybe we could compromise....

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

That was before he announced his run for the presidency (June 16, 2015). I thought we were discussing how he got the republican nomination?

And you don't think his long term rhetoric around Obama's birth certificate and Mexicans pre June 2015 didn't help him get cred with white supremacists....Sheesh

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Nice dodge.

Just factual. Look at my first post. Bill vs Donald.

When Biden was brought up, I said I never mentioned him but didn't support him nor think he should be President.

Bidens's lack of competence in everything he does in office in no way excuses Trump's lack of morality in everything he does.

Both are simply true.

 

[Matt2496]

And you don't think his long term rhetoric around Obama's birth certificate and Mexicans pre June 2015 didn't help him get cred with white supremacists....Sheesh

That’s not what won him the nomination.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

That's simply asinine.

But I thought I only did what I was told to do.

Now you're saying that I insist that people do what I want them to do.

Pick a lane.

Maybe we could compromise....

You are incapable of compromise.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Just factual. Look at my first post. Bill vs Donald.

When Biden was brought up, I said I never mentioned him but didn't support him nor think he should be President.

Bidens's lack of competence in everything he does in office in no way excuses Trump's lack of morality in everything he does.

Both are simply true.

OK then given those two as your choice in November, which will you pull the lever for? Straight up simple question with a binary answer.

 

[Vol737]

It's not just the left that wants single party rule.

Maybe, Hog. However, as it stands now, the neo modern Marxists own the bureaucracies/three letter agencies, the courts, education system, most of the media and big tech as their acting agency to silence opposition and provide censorship. If the far right thinks they even have a shot at having single party rule…it’s going to take a long, long time. They are way, way behind. The left did this over the course of 40 years or more.

 

[hog88]

That's simply asinine.

But I thought I only did what I was told to do.

Now you're saying that I insist that people do what I want them to do.

Pick a lane.

Maybe we could compromise....

Yes, you toe the party line like a good little boy.

 

[utvolpj]

Biden isn't far left.
Hillary wasn't far left.
The dems have avoided nominating the extreme.....while repubs nominated trump - 3 times.

Biden isn't in charge of anything

 

[Vol737]

Biden isn't in charge of anything

Don’t know why this is hard for people to understand.

 

[RockyTop85]

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Basically this, but it goes way farther back. For nearly half a century, America has greased the skids for criminal prosecutions.

We passed a truck load of criminal statutes, like this one, and then we broadened them if they weren’t broad enough.

We made sure it was fine to target groups and individuals because of the mob and we took that practice to an extreme in pursuit of criminal street gangs.

We, and by “we,” I mean activist groups and people like Fred Thompson, politicized judicial decisions that enforced procedural safeguards that would have kept us a little bit safer from the government and campaigned against those judges.

As a result, we have appellate courts that basically strictly enforce a convoluted, hypertechnical procedural scheme such that the responsibility of ensuring that a defendant receives a fair trial essentially falls on the defendant, not the unlimited resources of the state or the judge.

We normalized overcharging and made it a no-lose scenario by stacking statutory elements such that a charge of first degree murder carries something like 17 lesser included offenses that all have to be considered by a jury before they reach an acquittal.

Culturally, until recently, we’ve idolized the police and put them on a pedestal for their service.

Still, you can go over to Facebook and find any article about a sentencing or an acquittal and you’ll see people complaining about the system being too soft on defendants.

Go back through this forum to summer 2020 and you’ll find hundreds of posts scoffing at the idea that the system can be abused against certain groups of people or individuals because the same rules apply to all of us.

Needless to say, I reject any argument that this trial “damages our judicial system.” If that’s so, it needed to be damaged, because this trial is a perfectly legitimate reflection of the judicial system we created.

It clearly wasn’t created solely by conservatives, but they’ve certainly been the biggest obstacle to any form of walk back or reform for the past 15 years or so. If this conviction opens eyes to that (it won’t) and prompts some openness to generally applicable reforms (it won’t) then it will have served a good purpose.

 

[hog88]

Maybe, Hog. However, as it stands now, the neo modern Marxists own the bureaucracies/three letter agencies, the courts, education system, most of the media and big tech as their acting agency to silence opposition and provide censorship. If the far right thinks they even have a shot at having single party rule…it’s going to take a long, long time. They are way, way behind. The left did this over the course of 40 years or more.

You have to understand that there are no "conservatives" or a better label "classic liberals" in power and there hasn't been for decades. They are the same swine just wearing different coats to give us the illusion of 2 parties. D's are in power the federal government grows, the R's are in power and the federal government grows.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

OK then given those two as your choice in November, which will you pull the lever for? Straight up simple question with a binary answer.

It's not binary. It wasn't last time and never will be binary, hopefully, in America.

If today, I can't in good conscience support either. Prayer and reflection might change that, but politics nor political consequences of that vote will not.

 

[volgr]

So is your ignorance by choice. Bye now, no point in even thinking of trying to converse with someone who is both willfully ignorant, and proudly arrogant about their stupidity.

Good riddance.

 

[luthervol]

Yes, you toe the party line like a good little boy.

Was that my compromise?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It's not binary. It wasn't last time and never will be binary, hopefully, in America.

If today, I can't in good conscience support either. Prayer and reflection might change that, but politics nor political consequences of that vote will not.

Exactly what I expected. So you'll sit it out then?

 

[luthervol]

Biden isn't in charge of anything

I hope not.

I would have felt much better from 2016-2020 had a known trump wasn't in charge of anything,

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I hope not.

I would have felt much better from 2016-2020 had a known trump wasn't in charge of anything,

WHAT???? You hope the sitting president isn't in charge of anything? AYFKM?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Exactly what I expected. So you'll sit it out then?

I'll vote. I've not missed a vote of any kind except a couple that snuck up on me when I was out of the area on business. The wife commonly keeps me good there.

If you mean: sit it out because I won't back your chosen candidate, then yes. If you mean sit it out because I'll use more than political power to make a choice, yes.

This is the issue. You're much more entrenched in power for the tribe than anything else. I'm not. You're welcome to that view.

 

[hog88]

WHAT???? You hope the sitting president isn't in charge of anything? AYFKM?

Luther doesn't care who's in charge as long as it's his tribe.

 

[KB5252]

OK then given those two as your choice in November, which will you pull the lever for? Straight up simple question with a binary answer.

Natural disaster, I want the earth to open up and swallow them both ........ Along with most of the elected officials and all the shadowy government types and lobbyists.

We need a great reset.