The math suggests we are headed for civil war

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825VOL said:
No, he claimed he was married to a teacher and his FIL was a principle. I am a Civics teacher. That's why I was asking.

You notice he fled the conversation. LMAO
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The answer about electoral representation of Wy and CA.
Next you posted "And a wyoming vote equals about 4 times a california vote. " Please explain in what context you see this happening and I will try to explain it to you.[/QUOTE]



Simple math: 2020 population of CA and WY: 39,538,000 and 577,000



CA has 54 EC votes, WY has 3 EC votes.

39,538,000/54= 732,185

577,000/3=192,333

one EC vote for 732,000 people in CA
One EC vote for 192,000 in WY

732,185/192,333=3.81 (almost 4:1)

How do you calculate it?
 
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@Go aeiou

You are dealing with a lot of people who suffer the duel affliction of poor reading comprehension and concrete thinking.
They take every post in a literal/concrete way.
When you asked, "How did Trump win with fewer votes?" They took it literally as if you were asking because you did not know.
You just have to be very careful how you word your posts. A good rule of thumb is to write as if the reader is a fourth grader with no ability for abstract thought.
 
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Let's examine CA. There are 10.5M non citizens as counted by an old census. That is the highest in nation and roughly 1/4th the population, and allows CA to maintain a higher than number of House representatives that they otherwise should have. Not sure how that would pan out when each state is considered, but being the largest populated state and well above the average, I would say they are vastly over apportioned.Not to mention other states. Why non citizens are considered seems foolish to me.

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Orangeburst said:
Let's examine CA. There are 10.5M non citizens as counted by an old census. That is the highest in nation and roughly 1/4th the population, and allows CA to maintain a higher than number of House representatives that they otherwise should have. Not sure how that would pan out when each state is considered, but being the largest populated state and well above the average, I would say they are vastly over apportioned.Not to mention other states. Why non citizens are considered seems foolish to me.

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Florida/Texas.
 
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luthervol said:
@Go aeiou

You are dealing with a lot of people who suffer the duel affliction of poor reading comprehension and concrete thinking.
They take every post in a literal/concrete way.
When you asked, "How did Trump win with fewer votes?" They took it literally as if you were asking because you did not know.
You just have to be very careful how you word your posts. A good rule of thumb is to write as if the reader is a fourth grader with no ability for abstract thought.
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So mechanics of voting? We vote for EC, not the candidate.
I'm a retired CPA, most people did not use the correct terminology when asking me questions. I did have someone call me a "technical bastrd" once.
 
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Go aeiou said:
The answer about electoral representation of Wy and CA.
Next you posted "And a wyoming vote equals about 4 times a california vote. " Please explain in what context you see this happening and I will try to explain it to you.
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Simple math: 2020 population of CA and WY: 39,538,000 and 577,000



CA has 54 EC votes, WY has 3 EC votes.

39,538,000/54= 732,185

577,000/3=192,333

one EC vote for 732,000 people in CA
One EC vote for 192,000 in WY

732,185/192,333=3.81 (almost 4:1)

How do you calculate it?[/QUOTE]

Let me try to make this simple for you. Why shouldn't a soccer player get 6 points for each score just like a football player does?

Why, because the rules of the contest were set a long time ago and just because you don't think it is fair doesn't mean it is an issue.

The Electoral College was set up as yet another check on the potential tyranny of the majority. The Electoral College provides for a total of 535 Electoral votes. These votes are for Electors. We have 535 based on 435 from the House (each state has a certain number based on percentage of the country's population and it is the same number as their reps in the House) and 2 Electors based on each state having 2 Senators. The Electors are then supposed to vote according to their state's wishes. Most states have a winner take all system. Your vote in CA or NY has zero effect on the votes from anyone from WY or TN. They do not count as more or less of a vote as the votes in each state are all that matter. We are set up this way since we a Republic of States. You know, the UNITED STATES of America. It is not America. Based on your philosophy of voting, we should abolish all states.

What confuses most people is that after the 17th Amendment, we no longer look at one-half of Congress being about the States and their opinion or wants. We strictly look at it as the "wants or wishes" of all the people. This change has resulted in most people not understanding how our own government was designed to work. We were supposed to have one half of Congress representing the people (by popular vote) and the other half representing the States.

So, the idea that one vote counts more than another in a different State is ludicrous. If you do not like this system or you think it is unfair, you are more than welcome to start championing for the 28th Amendment to change our Constitution to something you prefer. Good luck with that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Federal:

1) The only Republican to win the popular vote for President in 20 years was George W. Bush, who got only 3 million more votes than Kerry.

2) Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 7 million.

3) In 2022, everyone expected a major Republican victory as to the House, and they barely got the majority.

4) All 435 seats are up for vote in 2024, and the trend for the GOP is not good.


State

1) Republicans control 56 chambers of state legislatures, the Dems 41.

2) Republicans have 26 governorships, the Dems 24.


We see a lot of rancor at the state levels right now from Republicans resisting federal direction. If the trends continue and the federal government becomes increasingly Dem, while the state become increasingly GOP, how long until a state like Arkansas, or a governor like DeSantis, declares independence from the federal government? And other GOP states would rapidly follow suit.

I don't think it will be real soon, maybe not in the next 10 years for example. But 25 years from now? If the trends continue?
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I don't think it will end well for you if there is one.

This country deserves a Thanos with all the infinity stones to purge the leftist smut.
 
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I'm guessing the average neo-liberal will go in hiding like Bill Gates and s t f u while they hope the federal government handles everything.

Think about how easy it would be to identify a neo-liberal. Rainbow colored hair - democrat voter. Got on jorts, sweater arms tied around your neck wearing a short sleeve shirt, and a 90's camero - yep democrat. More than 5 bumper stickers on a foreign car like a Volkswagon, or a 15 y/o Volvo - you guessed it....democrat. Potted plants and flowers outside, possibly mowed yard but never use a weed eater on the edges - democrat. Drive a Buick - democrat? Nope, leave them alone because they are Republican.
 
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