The Memphis Program is dying

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getyopopcornready said:
Memphis is dying. They know about the finances between Calipari and recruits. They threated Calipari because thier program is dying without him. Memphis takes the case to court even though there are no real grounds for suing. Case is settled out of court. Yea Calipari and Rose must love just giving money away.
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Huh?

You are really starting to sound like a nutty conspiracy theorist. Memphis has no current problems with the 'AA and recruiting the crap out of basketball with FedEx money and an NBA arena. Find me one credible journalist who thinks Memphis basketball is on any trajectory but up and save your tinfoil hat rants.
 
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SlyStone said:
It's a known fact that Calipari recruited outside of Memphis and his relationship with area HS coaches was not great. However; when you look at the basketball players that have come out of Memphis over the years it's enought to sustain a great team. The issue for UT is they have never been able to sale it's program to the top tier kids coming out of Memphis. Below are just a sampling of talent from the Bluff City. Imagine if this talent had been right here in Knoxville.

Anfernee Hardaway
Willam Bedford
Larry Finch
John Gunn
Ronnie Robinson
Keith Lee (West Memphis)
Lorenzen Wright
Thaddeus Young
Vincent Askew
Andre Turner
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Completely agree. You meant to beefen my argument didn't you?
 
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dlw4n said:
Of course. That was precisely my point. The person I quoted said that the only reason one would settle like that is to keep something out of the press. I was merely stating that settling frequently happens in lawsuits and can be for a variety of reasons...many of which are not to silence information, while some are. Who knows which this one is?
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Well thank you for admitting that.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
No one program, not ONE will survive off of just a solid basketball program. Collegiate athletics no longer exist. It is all about Football. Some people have no clue how much college football revenue rivals professional sports. The continuous advancement of college basketball will die without the continuous advancement of the football program. Even the BIG WIGS at Memphis know that. They look similar to a CEO operating a business under forecasted significant losses and trying to scrape up any lasting funds possible before their exit.
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Kansas does. Georgetown does.
 
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So Duke, Kansas, Georgetown, Marquette, Butler, VCU, St. Johns, Vanderbilt, Louisville, Syracuse, and Memphis all have top 25 basketball programs and little or no football program. That's basically half of the top teams in basketball.

Getyopopcornready, you said "not ONE will survive off of just a solid basketball program." You were correct, it's not one. It's close to a dozen. I'm hoping you just know football better than you know basketball and went out on a shaky limb without thinking here.
 
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dlw4n said:
Huh?

You are really starting to sound like a nutty conspiracy theorist. Memphis has no current problems with the 'AA and recruiting the crap out of basketball with FedEx money and an NBA arena. Find me one credible journalist who thinks Memphis basketball is on any trajectory but up and save your tinfoil hat rants.
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That's my point. It doesn't matter how bright the future looks for the Memphis basketball program or any program for that matter. The conference alignment/tv contracts/ national exposure are going to be based on successful revenue for football programs. These football programs are going to be aligned with other programs who have similar success. The basketball programs exposure will come from the tv contracts that are mostly derived from football programs. Memphis football will draw no interest. Memphis basketball will suffer. The Memphis program as a whole is dying.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
That's my point. It doesn't matter how bright the future looks for the Memphis basketball program or any program for that matter. The conference alignment/tv contracts/ national exposure are going to be based on successful revenue for football programs. These football programs are going to be aligned with other programs who have similar success. The basketball programs exposure will come from the tv contracts that are mostly derived from football programs. Memphis football will draw no interest. Memphis basketball will suffer. The Memphis program as a whole is dying.
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There are 345 division 1 basketball teams. There are around 65 "BCS" schools in football. Are you saying that only the tiny fraction that land in superconferences will survive and that the other 280 basketball teams with die? You might want to rethink things a little. Seems unlikely at best and just silly at worst.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
That's my point. It doesn't matter how bright the future looks for the Memphis basketball program or any program for that matter. The conference alignment/tv contracts/ national exposure are going to be based on successful revenue for football programs. These football programs are going to be aligned with other programs who have similar success. The basketball programs exposure will come from the tv contracts that are mostly derived from football programs. Memphis football will draw no interest. Memphis basketball will suffer. The Memphis program as a whole is dying.
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I see your point, but their football program has been way passed dead. The question is can their basketball program sustain them? ConfUSA is not a BCS whore, but most feel they'll survive.
 
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dlw4n said:
There are 345 division 1 basketball teams. There are around 65 "BCS" schools in football. Are you saying that only the tiny fraction that land in superconferences will survive and that the other 280 basketball teams with die? You might want to rethink things a little. Seems unlikely at best and just silly at worst.
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If there were 280 programs that were making no effort to improve interest in their football programs then yes, they will die. But there aren't 280 teams who are solely putting forth an effort in their basketball programs.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
If there were 280 programs that were making no effort to improve interest in their football programs then yes, they will die. But there aren't 280 teams who are solely putting forth an effort in their basketball programs.
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Ummm there are only around 115 Division 1 football teams and 65 of them are BCS teams. So that means that of those 280 division 1 basketball teams that are not in BCS conferences, about 230 of them don't even have division 1 football teams.

345 division 1 basketball teams
115 division 1 football teams
65 BCS football teams

It's not hard math. Most of those basketball teams don't even have FBS football teams. NCAA basketball is not going to cease to exist.
 
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SlyStone said:
I see your point, but their football program has been way passed dead. The question is can their basketball program sustain them? ConfUSA is not a BCS whore, but most feel they'll survive.
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The Great Alignment of Conferences is happening in 2011 and beyond. Programs that survived in the past but are not prepared for this transformation will now die.
 
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dlw4n said:
Ummm there are only around 115 Division 1 football teams and 65 of them are BCS teams. So that means that of those 280 division 1 basketball teams that are not in BCS conferences, about 230 of them don't even have division 1 football teams.

345 division 1 basketball teams
115 division 1 football teams
65 BCS football teams

It's not hard math. Most of those basketball teams don't even have FBS football teams. NCAA basketball is not going to cease to exist.
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Ok let's start with the 115 division 1 football teams. How many of those programs can you look at and say their football programs are dead weight?
 
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dlw4n said:
Probably the bottom 25% is conservative.
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Ok. Now for an answer to my question. How many programs are dead weight? As in not conservative. No effort at all put in the programs.

And just in case you weren't aware...

Dead Weight - An oppressive burden or difficulty.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
No one program, not ONE will survive off of just a solid basketball program. Collegiate athletics no longer exist. It is all about Football. Some people have no clue how much college football revenue rivals professional sports. The continuous advancement of college basketball will die without the continuous advancement of the football program. Even the BIG WIGS at Memphis know that. They look similar to a CEO operating a business under forecasted significant losses and trying to scrape up any lasting funds possible before their exit.
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At most D-1 schools, football is a money loser. And not just schools like Memphis that don't care about it.
 
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SGMVols said:
At most D-1 schools, football is a money loser. And not just schools like Memphis that don't care about it.
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Exactly. And if those schools get rid of the money losers then there is no room for them to sustain a high profile program. And what happens to them the next time a major transformation takes place? What if Italy or China become the new NBA?
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Exactly. And if those schools get rid of the money losers then there is no room for them to sustain a high profile program. And what happens to them the next time a major transformation takes place? What if Italy or China become the new NBA?
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College basketball becomes more entertaining?
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getyopopcornready said:
Exactly. And if those schools get rid of the money losers then there is no room for them to sustain a high profile program. And what happens to them the next time a major transformation takes place? What if Italy or China become the new NBA?
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Umm...Memphis continues to have a good basketball program and a crappy football program?
 
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