The Month of May 2009.../Indy 500

#51
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ptclaus98 said:
Tony isn't in Penske or Ganassi's organization, Speed won't do it or he already would have taken a shot at it, AJ would be a good bet if Forsythe had made the switch, I don't think Tags, or Gordon could win either, lol Danica lol.


Hornish might do it, but I think his challenge would be the 600, and I don't see him winning it.


Besides, would Penske really run 5-6 cars? Would Ganassi?
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The question is would anyone try, not could they win. Why are you limiting the possibilities to Penske or Ganassi? Childress entered a car at Indy. Hendrick, Roush and Gibbs have the resources to do it. Kyle Busch could drive an Indy car I bet, Jimmie Johnson once said on Wind Tunnel he would like to give Indy a try. Stewart could get a ride at Indy with no problem, he would have more than one offer. So could Jeff Gordon if Hendrick approved it - iffy.
 
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#52
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the Penske and Ganassi drivers would have the best shot, for sure.

i can't imagine the luck that would go into something like this. i wouldn't consider anybody who hasn't raced in each car as having a chance, so that eliminates most everybody. i would take Danica off the list and add Jeff Gordon. he's won in a stock car and he drove (the test with Montoya where they switched rides) an F1 car fastest enough around the GP course to qualify for the previous years race.

i just don't know if i can get behind the idea if it ever happening. the cars are just too different to drive. if it ever got to the point where somebody could try, i just can't get excited about it.
 
#53
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doozer said:
the Penske and Ganassi drivers would have the best shot, for sure.

i can't imagine the luck that would go into something like this. i wouldn't consider anybody who hasn't raced in each car as having a chance, so that eliminates most everybody. i would take Danica off the list and add Jeff Gordon. he's won in a stock car and he drove (the test with Montoya where they switched rides) an F1 car fastest enough around the GP course to qualify for the previous years race.

i just don't know if i can get behind the idea if it ever happening. the cars are just too different to drive. if it ever got to the point where somebody could try, i just can't get excited about it.
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The odds are very high that anyone could win both races, but for $20 M, I have to think there are those who would attempt it. The most difficult part right now is making it possible to even attempt. Indy would have to move up start time and excuse winner from most post race activities. Running both races can be done under these changes - having a competitive ride and driver in both events would be tough. Stewart, R. Gordon and John Andretti have made the attempt. I threw Danica out there just to get reactions.
 
#54
#54
rbroyles said:
The question is would anyone try, not could they win. Why are you limiting the possibilities to Penske or Ganassi? Childress entered a car at Indy. Hendrick, Roush and Gibbs have the resources to do it. Kyle Busch could drive an Indy car I bet, Jimmie Johnson once said on Wind Tunnel he would like to give Indy a try. Stewart could get a ride at Indy with no problem, he would have more than one offer. So could Jeff Gordon if Hendrick approved it - iffy.
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I don't know about Roush and Ford, but Keselowski said Chevy wasn't cool with letting their drivers drive a car that isn't GM, and there is no way in hell Toyota is gonna let their posterboy drive their chief rival's car.


But Carl in an IndyCar would be interesting, as would Kahne.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
I don't know about Roush and Ford, but Keselowski said Chevy wasn't cool with letting their drivers drive a car that isn't GM, and there is no way in hell Toyota is gonna let their posterboy drive their chief rival's car.


But Carl in an IndyCar would be interesting, as would Kahne.
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Now you may have hit on the major stumbling block. Stranger things have happened, Stewart drove a Chevy in nationwide once while with Gibbs Toyota, and there have been similar drives.
 
#56
#56
WRT Indy - Helio has shown he cannot be ruled out. He kinda does the Mears thing at the 500 (although no one kept improving their car throughout the race like Rick Mears).
 
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volinbham said:
WRT Indy - Helio has shown he cannot be ruled out. He kinda does the Mears thing at the 500 (although no one kept improving their car throughout the race like Rick Mears).
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Rick Mears IMO is the best all time driver at Indy. Be clear I'm not saying the best Indy Car driver, best at Indianapolis.
 
#58
#58
rbroyles said:
Rick Mears IMO is the best all time driver at Indy. Be clear I'm not saying the best Indy Car driver, best at Indianapolis.
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having his feet go through a cheese grader at Ontario pretty much robbed him of being the best of all time in an IndyCar.
 
#60
#60
i had something long typed out about yesterday and lost it so i'll recap:

1. new format is neat. helio kinda killed it early, but guys going out on kamikaze runs every 5 minutes was cool.
2. TK in the wall again today (2 in two days); Danica getting booed for throwing her team under the bus; two Andretti cars still not in the show. that team needs a swift kick in the ass.
3. let's see Sarah Fisher post a 225.500 early and get ready for Sunday.
4. solid work by Tagliani, Rahal and Carpenter.
5. Will Power wins the Indy 500 next Sunday, which would make me happy, but i really have become a big fan of Graham Rahal too.
 
#61
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doozer said:
i had something long typed out about yesterday and lost it so i'll recap:

1. new format is neat. helio kinda killed it early, but guys going out on kamikaze runs every 5 minutes was cool.
2. TK in the wall again today (2 in two days); Danica getting booed for throwing her team under the bus; two Andretti cars still not in the show. that team needs a swift kick in the ass.
3. let's see Sarah Fisher post a 225.500 early and get ready for Sunday.
4. solid work by Tagliani, Rahal and Carpenter.
5. Will Power wins the Indy 500 next Sunday, which would make me happy, but i really have become a big fan of Graham Rahal too.
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1. yep
2. TK is a better driver than his car. Danica doesn't know how to set-up a car.
3. Never has shown potential she had in midgets.
4. yep - Tagliani and Rahal have got stones.
5. Not my choice - but a good bet. Rahal got the most available out of his car than anyone. It seemed every lap was on the edge.
 
#63
#63
sucks for Tracy and Howard that a guy who stuffed it into the wall with an hour left makes the show, and they go home.

i don't have any clue why Howard withdrew his time. i can't believe Paul Tracy did the same thing.
 
#65
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doozer said:
sucks for Tracy and Howard that a guy who stuffed it into the wall with an hour left makes the show, and they go home.

i don't have any clue why Howard withdrew his time. i can't believe Paul Tracy did the same thing.
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I understand their thinking, but it was stupid thinking. Tracy's team knew that Howard was going to try to bump back in, and apparently gave them a better chance of doing it than they had. Howard's team apparently thought if they pulled out of line, Tracy would have enough time to try again. Even if he did, Howard should have stood on his time. With Tracy's engine that hot, he stood little chance of improving his time, plus it appeared he got all there was out of the car.

At least Duno won't be a moving chicane in this year's race.
 
#66
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I don't understand why Tracy threw away his time, though. Do you have to throw it away as soon as you get in line? Because if you don't, I don't see why he didn't play chess with Howard. If Howard goes and doesn't make it, he's in, if he doesn't, he gets to go out for another run. Kanaan didn't throw his run away, and he was in line, so I don't understand that move by Tracy, tbh.
 
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in order to go out onto the track to attempt a run, you have to sign a paper stating you wish to withdraw your time if you drive out of line.

it was pretty clear Tracy didn't have the speed. that was an incredibly terrible business move for SFR.
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doozer said:
in order to go out onto the track to attempt a run, you have to sign a paper stating you wish to withdraw your time if you drive out of line.

it was pretty clear Tracy didn't have the speed. that was an incredibly terrible business move for SFR.
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So was his time that he withdrew the one before he had his last run?
 
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ptclaus98 said:
So was his time that he withdrew the one before he had his last run?
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Once you are in the top 33, should you wish to make another attempt to better your existing time, you must withdraw that time. You are basically starting over again. So yes his most recent time was the one.

Tracy by withdrawing put Howard back in the top 33.
 
#71
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rbroyles said:
Once you are in the top 33, should you wish to make another attempt to better your existing time, you must withdraw that time. You are basically starting over again. So yes his most recent time was the one.

Tracy by withdrawing put Howard back in the top 33.
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and then Howard withdrew to put Saavadra back in, who backed it into the wall literally one hour before the gun sounded.

unbelievable that either of them would allow Saavadra back into the race. he was done. and Duno and Lazier basically had no shot. really Tracy was the only idot though. i guess SFR figured if their whole season came down to being in the race, they might as well win it or lose it on their own.

of course then i also think Tracy probably knew he didn't have the speed and figured Howard did, so he trimmed it out and about lost it three times going through the north chute.

i've always liked Tracy, and i think Sarah Fisher is the classiest and most well respect woman in racing. most of my bitterness about what they did is just disappointment because they both really needed to get in.
 
#72
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rbroyles said:
Once you are in the top 33, should you wish to make another attempt to better your existing time, you must withdraw that time. You are basically starting over again. So yes his most recent time was the one.

Tracy by withdrawing put Howard back in the top 33.
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So does that mean getting in line? Because Kanaan was in the line as well.
 
#73
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it means starting the car and rolling onto the track. once you do that, you lose your time. technically though, i think they do make you sign a piece of paper.

however, an actual attempt on the car is not counted until you take the green flag.
 
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#74
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doozer said:
it means starting the car and rolling onto the track. once you do that, you lose your time. technically though, i think they do make you sign a piece of paper.

however, an actual attempt on the car is not counted until you take the green flag.
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You are correct in that they do have to sign a form.

One thing I never caught anyone say though is under the new format of only the top 24 being qualified on Saturday, do you get three attempts on each day, or a total of three as before? The first nine could try as many attempts as time allowed.
 
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