The Next Coach...

#26
#26
(TheThrill @ May 8 said:
Fulmer will retire in about 7 or 8 years with the highest winning percentage and about 3 NC rings, then Peyton Manning will move in to the HC position and work pro bono.
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Those truly are some orange tinted glasses you got on.... :clapping:
 
#27
#27
Too many what ifs. When Fulmer's reign is over the choice of the next good coach will depend on luck and timing. Who is available at the time the Fulmer leaves the job will dictate who we have to choose from. Hopefully some of the candidates listed will be available but there will also be new ones over the next couple years. Hopefully we won't have to worry about it after we beat ND four times in a row in the BCS championship game.
 
#28
#28
First off, I never suggested that Coach Fulmer should be replaced. I simply wanted to know who could POTENTIALLY replace him. As for Norm Chow, I feel like there must be some reason that no one has hired him as a head coach, yet. Lowly Stanford had a shot at him and passed. I wonder if there's something about him that maybe wouldn't work as a head coach, and he's better suited to just coordinating. Also, I highly doubt Spurrier will ever come here. If he says otherwise, he's probably just trying to anger Vol fans. Cal's coach Jeff Tedford got a big contract recently and I'd imagine they'd pony up whatever money is necessary to keep him there. He's singlehandedly revived their program.

If Chavis takes over, I doubt the team will change that much. He'll probably promote someone from within that has the exact same offensive philosophy that everyone is constantly moaning about. I for one, still hope Fulmer manages to stick around a few more years.
 
#29
#29
(hatvol96 @ May 8 said:
In 3-5 years, Chow will have been fired by the Titans and returned to the college game. He will still have the same number of games as a major college head coach that I will. UT should not be a school that hires coaches on faith.
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I see that you are still getting smarter hate. I think you are spot on.
 
#31
#31
UT has a history of hiring "anti-" coaches.

Doug Dickey was brought in as the "anti-Neyland." The old Gen'l had shuffled off and outside of renaming the Stadium, UT wanted to banish his ghost from the premises. Dickey was everything Neyland wasn't: young, offensive minded (T-formation, throw the ball all over the yard) and from a completely different school (Florida). After Dickey worked so well (right up the point he defected back to UF) they went for a clone. That clone was Bill Battle (young, offensive-minded, from a rival SEC school, his initials even matched - DD to BB).

When THAT little experiment went awry, John Majors was brought aboard to be the anti-Dickey/Battle. At the time of his hire Majors was everything Dickey and Battle weren't at the time of their hires (an experienced coach, direct ties to Neyland, "Tennessee Boy" through and through). Now the roller coaster left the ticket gate. 11-2 seasons would alternate with 5-6 or 6-5 seasons and Majors would change assistant coaches every time he bought a new tweed jacket.

Once Majors was excused, Fulmer was - yep, you guessed it - the "anti-Majors." Fulmer had a rep as a "players' coach," he is fiercely loyal to his assistants (Randy Sanders, call your office), promotes the notion that Vol football is a family, and enjoys a reputation as "King of the living room" in recruiting. John Majors was none of the above.

Given all the off-field shennanigans and other clouds swirling around the UT program, one would imagine the next coach will be an "anti-Fulmer" (strict disciplinarian, etc.)
 
#32
#32
(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 9 said:
Jeff Bowden. We could get him.
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I would hate to see a Bowden coaching UT. Not to mention the fact that FSU fans have been wanting OC Bowden fired for years. The chief knock on Bobby is that he is too loyal to his incapable son. FSU's defense have been among the nation's best the past few years, but their offenses have been crappy. Reminds me of UT, a bit. The point is, Jeff Bowden would be a terrible choice for head coach.
 
#33
#33
(kptvol @ May 9 said:
I would hate to see a Bowden coaching UT. Not to mention the fact that FSU fans have been wanting him fired for years. The chief knock on Bobby is that he is too loyal to his incapable son. FSU's defense have been among the nation's best the past few years, but their offenses have been crappy. Reminds me of UT, a bit. The point is, Jeff Bowden would be a terrible choice for head coach.
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I'll second that.
 
#34
#34
Personally I don't care if it is a Bowden, Spurrier or Bear Bryant the 5th I just want a change. Right now we have good players and a motivational guy with some football sense could come into town and turn this thing around in a hurry just like our pal Charlie Weiss did this year at ND. On the other hand we can sit back and wait until 2010 with each recruiting year getting progressively worse so when we finally do get a new HC they will inherit a demoralized unit with marginal talent and no discipline.
 
#35
#35
(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 9 said:
Personally I don't care if it is a Bowden, Spurrier or Bear Bryant the 5th I just want a change. Right now we have good players and a motivational guy with some football sense could come into town and turn this thing around in a hurry just like our pal Charlie Weiss did this year at ND. On the other hand we can sit back and wait until 2010 with each recruiting year getting progressively worse so when we finally do get a new HC they will inherit a demoralized unit with marginal talent and no discipline.
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Well I guess your right. I mean the worst class CPF has brought in was a top 25 class. It looks like we are off to a real bad start on next years class as well?!!!
 
#36
#36
(VolBeef88 @ May 9 said:
Well I guess your right. I mean the worst class CPF has brought in was a top 25 class. It looks like we are off to a real bad start on next years class as well?!!!
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Worst finish in Fulmer's tenure nets worst recruiting class. If this year is bad it will be a little worse. And so on.

I like the early commits, especially becasue I would like to see us reclaim the "Wide Reciever U" moniker. Please keep in mind that no one has signed a LOI yet, they can easily de-commit if they see something they do not like.
 
#37
#37
Well guys and gals as much as I have liked Fulmer in the past, I just don't see him running this program after the 09' season. I mean I know this year is considered to be a "Fluke" year but I look around and I see things that I don't like. One of the main things that I just read and actually never paid attention to, I guess out of denial, is the fact that we only averaged 18.8 points per game and Vandy averaged 27.2 points per game last season. That's pitiful guy and gals. Fulmer maybe the winningest coach as far as "percentage" but he's still got a ways to go as far as all-time. Since 1967 Tennessee has only be National Champions ONCE and in 1967 they were only recommended for Championship status by a poll that I have never heard of........here is the link that you can look at for yourselves Past Nation Champions.....and I hate to say this but we are really not an "Elite" program like everyone thinks we are. I LOVE VOLS FOOTBALL but you have to look at a bigger picture than just the past 10 years. The last team that really dominated people were the 1985 SugarVols. We just haven't had a dominate team for awhile now and its killing me and alot of people on the board. Tennessee Football is about being smashmouth, down in the trenches, kill em if ya see em, and take no prisoners. I just wish they would get midevil on these players butts and transform them into REAL football players. Now before you go flaming me look at what I am saying. Who is the last player that has really enjoyed success outside of UT orange and white??? Jamal Lewis is ok but not great, he's in trouble and hasn't been consistant. Jamal does have a big heart though and I really like that in a player but that still doesn't make him really good. Peyton Manning is really the only player to achieve greatness after leaving UT in a while. Now I know he is an Elite player but still he is the only one that I can think of that has made it really well in the NFL. Donte Stallworth has flashed greatness but still is mediocre. Tee Martin which is the National Championship QB of 98' is now MIA for the CFL. I just can't place a player that is really that good in the NFL other than O-line which doesn't get alot of mention. Fulmer can recruit but that's not enough. We went 5-6 last year with a more talented team than most of the teams that finshed in the Top 20. Coach Cut unforunately is not the answer to our problems long-term, short-term yes but not long-term. We need someone that can be with us along time and put a "General Neyland" type attitude back in this program we all love. I would really like to see someone come along and really "Militarize" our team into men and get rid of the boys. Now in 3 years I can only dream of who I would want to come here and take the reigns, but I won't have a clue who that will be until then. So until then I will continue to support "Fulmer Ball" until a viable replacement is found, I just hope he doesn't get "Fat and lazy" like Fulmer has since 98'.
 
#38
#38
(VolunteerHillbilly @ May 9 said:
Worst finish in Fulmer's tenure nets worst recruiting class. If this year is bad it will be a little worse. And so on.

I like the early commits, especially becasue I would like to see us reclaim the "Wide Reciever U" moniker. Please keep in mind that no one has signed a LOI yet, they can easily de-commit if they see something they do not like.
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On the other hand, others can commit if they see what they like. CPF has a proven track record on the recruiting front that is right up at the top with only a few peers.
 
#39
#39
(g8terh8ter_eric @ May 9 said:
Well guys and gals as much as I have liked Fulmer in the past, I just don't see him running this program after the 09' season. I mean I know this year is considered to be a "Fluke" year but I look around and I see things that I don't like. One of the main things that I just read and actually never paid attention to, I guess out of denial, is the fact that we only averaged 18.8 points per game and Vandy averaged 27.2 points per game last season. That's pitiful guy and gals. Fulmer maybe the winningest coach as far as "percentage" but he's still got a ways to go as far as all-time. Since 1967 Tennessee has only be National Champions ONCE and in 1967 they were only recommended for Championship status by a poll that I have never heard of........here is the link that you can look at for yourselves Past Nation Champions.....and I hate to say this but we are really not an "Elite" program like everyone thinks we are. I LOVE VOLS FOOTBALL but you have to look at a bigger picture than just the past 10 years. The last team that really dominated people were the 1985 SugarVols. We just haven't had a dominate team for awhile now and its killing me and alot of people on the board. Tennessee Football is about being smashmouth, down in the trenches, kill em if ya see em, and take no prisoners. I just wish they would get midevil on these players butts and transform them into REAL football players. Now before you go flaming me look at what I am saying. Who is the last player that has really enjoyed success outside of UT orange and white??? Jamal Lewis is ok but not great, he's in trouble and hasn't been consistant. Jamal does have a big heart though and I really like that in a player but that still doesn't make him really good. Peyton Manning is really the only player to achieve greatness after leaving UT in a while. Now I know he is an Elite player but still he is the only one that I can think of that has made it really well in the NFL. Donte Stallworth has flashed greatness but still is mediocre. Tee Martin which is the National Championship QB of 98' is now MIA for the CFL. I just can't place a player that is really that good in the NFL other than O-line which doesn't get alot of mention. Fulmer can recruit but that's not enough. We went 5-6 last year with a more talented team than most of the teams that finshed in the Top 20. Coach Cut unforunately is not the answer to our problems long-term, short-term yes but not long-term. We need someone that can be with us along time and put a "General Neyland" type attitude back in this program we all love. I would really like to see someone come along and really "Militarize" our team into men and get rid of the boys. Now in 3 years I can only dream of who I would want to come here and take the reigns, but I won't have a clue who that will be until then. So until then I will continue to support "Fulmer Ball" until a viable replacement is found, I just hope he doesn't get "Fat and lazy" like Fulmer has since 98'.
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The '85 team was dominant? They had a loss, 2 ties, and barely beat Wake Forest. Al Wilson and Leonard Little have been Pro Bowlers. Jamal Lewis has the second greatest rushing yardage season ever on his resume. John Henderson is rapidly moving toward elite status. "Militarize" the team? Given all the success Army, Navy, and Air Force have had the last ten years, is that really a good idea?
 
#40
#40
(VolBeef88 @ May 9 said:
On the other hand, others can commit if they see what they like. CPF has a proven track record on the recruiting front that is right up at the top with only a few peers.
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I guess that's why Jimmy C is going to Notre Dame?
 
#41
#41
Hey there hatvol let me clue you in on something about the military schools......THEY CAN'T GET THE TALENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SIGN YOUR LIFE AWAY IN ORDER TO GOTO THEIR SCHOOLS.....and the word "militarize" doesn't mean turn them into front-line infantry, it means discipline them and turn them into soldiers on the football field. Plus with those schools you have to have the "Grades", which obviously 60 percent of our guys don't have, to go there. Look back in the early days of college football when Army was a force to be reckoned with. There was a need for soldiers and most of the guys on those teams were dominate football players who came from the corn fields, joined the Army, went there to play football, WON, and then enjoyed a career in the military. So before you "nic-pick" a word think about what it means for "Our" team before you comment on it. I respect most everyone on here but don't come on here because everyone thinks they know it all and thinks everyone else's opinion is wrong and they are stupid. I just remember times back here last year on this board where we had pages of just discussion and not cutting each other's throat because we think that we are right and someone else is wrong. Now I am not saying that you are wrong in stating what you have stated, but look at Jamal Lewis. He runs for alot of yards and then gets gets put in jail for selling cocaine while he was at UT. That's not greatness that's stupidity.

Hatvol I value your opinion just like I value everyone's on here, but you obviously haven't seen the 85' Vols play. Do you know who Tony Robinson is??? Tim McGee??? Keith Davis??? Dale Jones??? The teams that they played were all GOOD!!!!! The tie with UCLA was 40-40. UCLA beat Iowa in the Rose Bowl that year. We played Georgia Tech the game after Tony Robinson got hurt and that was a defensive battle anyways and it was 6-6. We lost to Florida that year when they were on probation and you know who else lost to Florida that year??? The Miami Hurricanes who were in the hunt for a National Championship lost to Florida also....and since we played Miami in the Sugar Bowl and beat them, then I guess that loss was ok. Plus we were +21 in takeaways so I would say that's pretty dominate.
 
#42
#42
(g8terh8ter_eric @ May 9 said:
Hey there hatvol let me clue you in on something about the military schools......THEY CAN'T GET THE TALENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SIGN YOUR LIFE AWAY IN ORDER TO GOTO THEIR SCHOOLS.....and the word "militarize" doesn't mean turn them into front-line infantry, it means discipline them and turn them into soldiers on the football field. Plus with those schools you have to have the "Grades", which obviously 60 percent of our guys don't have, to go there. Look back in the early days of college football when Army was a force to be reckoned with. There was a need for soldiers and most of the guys on those teams were dominate football players who came from the corn fields, joined the Army, went there to play football, WON, and then enjoyed a career in the military. So before you "nic-pick" a word think about what it means for "Our" team before you comment on it. I respect most everyone on here but don't come on here because everyone thinks they know it all and thinks everyone else's opinion is wrong and they are stupid. I just remember times back here last year on this board where we had pages of just discussion and not cutting each other's throat because we think that we are right and someone else is wrong. Now I am not saying that you are wrong in stating what you have stated, but look at Jamal Lewis. He runs for alot of yards and then gets gets put in jail for selling cocaine while he was at UT. That's not greatness that's stupidity.

Hatvol I value your opinion just like I value everyone's on here, but you obviously haven't seen the 85' Vols play. Do you know who Tony Robinson is??? Tim McGee??? Keith Davis??? Dale Jones??? The teams that they played were all GOOD!!!!! The tie with UCLA was 40-40. UCLA beat Iowa in the Rose Bowl that year. We played Georgia Tech the game after Tony Robinson got hurt and that was a defensive battle anyways and it was 6-6. We lost to Florida that year when they were on probation and you know who else lost to Florida that year??? The Miami Hurricanes who were in the hunt for a National Championship lost to Florida also....and since we played Miami in the Sugar Bowl and beat them, then I guess that loss was ok.
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I attended every game in '85 except the one in Gainesville. 1. The UCLA game was a 26 all tie, not 40 all. 2. Of the 4 players you mentioned, only 1, McGee, got more than a cup of coffee in the NFL. Are you next going to sell me the greatness of Chris White and Kelly Ziegler?

As to the use of "militarize," I was using extreme examples to make what should be self evident. Rigid, neanderthal methods don't work in today's college football, and haven't in a long time. USC, Miami, and Oklahoma, to name a few, prove that you don't need some R. Lee Ermey imitator in charge. You simply need good football players and coaches. This isn't Iwo Jima, it's football. The players should enjoy themselves.
 
#45
#45
(g8terh8ter_eric @ May 9 said:
Jamal Lewis is ok but not great, he's in trouble and hasn't been consistant. Jamal does have a big heart though and I really like that in a player but that still doesn't make him really good.
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Jamal Lewis has all the talent in the world. If he had even a decent amount of heart, he could be the best back in the NFL. He was probably the most talented we've ever had at UT, but because he didn't really give the effort required, I think Travis Henry was better. Also, just for the record, I think Travis Henry would have converted that 4th down against Florida.
 
#46
#46
(kptvol @ May 9 said:
Jamal Lewis has all the talent in the world. If he had even a decent amount of heart, he could be the best back in the NFL. He was probably the most talented we've ever had at UT, but because he didn't really give the effort required, I think Travis Henry was better. Also, just for the record, I think Travis Henry would have converted that 4th down against Florida.
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Then why did he fail to convert 3rd and a foot versus Florida in 2000, thus allowing Florida to get the ball back and win? Travis Henry can't carry Jam's bags.
 
#48
#48
Ok I stand correct as far as the UCLA game being 26-26......but still remains the fact that coaches are way too easy now-a-days as for as the players getting to do what they want. They are at school for three reasons. One, To get a great education, Two, to learn to become the leaders of tomorrow, Three, play football at the greatest school in the US, The University of Tennessee!! So when I say we need to get more discipline, its not just for the field but for everything else that comes with it. Fulmer just doesn't fit the profile to me of a coach who demands perfection and discipline. He has lived off of talent way too long now and he is paying the price for not doing what he should have been doing and that is Coaching. Wins are wins and losses are losses, but that still doesn't show me that he is a great coach......Joe Pa and Bobby Bowden are probably the greatest coaches in the game right now and Fulmer is still in the "high-chair" compared to them. I would have hated to play Penn St. or Florida St. this past year cause they would have destroyed us........I just want a coach who wants to coach and not just have alot of talented players and let them rot because the coach is just too fat a lazy. I want our team to KILL KILL KILL everyone in our path. I want a PISSED OFF team to crack some heads. Finally I want Neyland Stadium to sound like a war is going on in there when someone walks within 10 miles of it. I just want some chip's on some shoulders and so evil glares going toward the other team. I want our players to play up to their potential......not be TV and media babies and worry about how good they look on TV........I want our players to want to eat the other teams children so to speak.....and that's why I want Fulmer OUT of UT......he doesn't bring that mentality to the field.....he claps to much and doesn't yell enough.....give me a coach who gets after everyone including the waterboy......is this too much to ask???
 
#49
#49
(g8terh8ter_eric @ May 9 said:
Ok I stand correct as far as the UCLA game being 26-26......but still remains the fact that coaches are way too easy now-a-days as for as the players getting to do what they want. They are at school for three reasons. One, To get a great education, Two, to learn to become the leaders of tomorrow, Three, play football at the greatest school in the US, The University of Tennessee!! So when I say we need to get more discipline, its not just for the field but for everything else that comes with it. Fulmer just doesn't fit the profile to me of a coach who demands perfection and discipline. He has lived off of talent way too long now and he is paying the price for not doing what he should have been doing and that is Coaching. Wins are wins and losses are losses, but that still doesn't show me that he is a great coach......Joe Pa and Bobby Bowden are probably the greatest coaches in the game right now and Fulmer is still in the "high-chair" compared to them. I would have hated to play Penn St. or Florida St. this past year cause they would have destroyed us........I just want a coach who wants to coach and not just have alot of talented players and let them rot because the coach is just too fat a lazy. I want our team to KILL KILL KILL everyone in our path. I want a PISSED OFF team to crack some heads. Finally I want Neyland Stadium to sound like a war is going on in there when someone walks within 10 miles of it. I just want some chip's on some shoulders and so evil glares going toward the other team. I want our players to play up to their potential......not be TV and media babies and worry about how good they look on TV........I want our players to want to eat the other teams children so to speak.....and that's why I want Fulmer OUT of UT......he doesn't bring that mentality to the field.....he claps to much and doesn't yell enough.....give me a coach who gets after everyone including the waterboy......is this too much to ask???
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I'm simply pointing out the fact that there really isn't anyone out there today having success doing it that way.
 
#50
#50
(hatvol96 @ May 9 said:
Then why did he fail to convert 3rd and a foot versus Florida in 2000, thus allowing Florida to get the ball back and win? Travis Henry can't carry Jam's bags.
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Travis Henry is still our all-time leading rusher. I think Jamal could have exceeded that if he'd had the desire. Did he not say that a year or two ago that he needed to be careful because it was the last year of his contract? I believe he followed that comment up with a very subpar season.
 
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