The Numbers Thread

[LebanonVolunteer]

IF the max class is 25:

QB-Jennings
QB-Dormady
RB-Reid
RB-Kamara
WR-Williams
WR-Woods
WR-Jefferson
TE-Oliver
OL-Stewart
OL-Jones
OL-Richmond

DE-Butcher
DE-Phillips
DE/OT-Jackson
DT-Picou
DT-McKenzie
DT-Jones
LB-Cherry
LB-Smith
LB-Sapp
S-Griffin
CB-Ordway
CB-Bruce

LS-Lovingood
P-Townsend

IF Woods does not get his "issues" together, IMO we could either see Martin, McGraw, the 4th OL, or the 4th LB in play.

 

[Nashvegas31]

I know we have poked a bit of fun at Vandy for it's "offers" they have handed out in 2015. I read something on their board earlier about it.

The fans there claim that DM won't extend an offer to ANY recruit unless he feels very sure that Vandy would be in his top group and a very possible chance of getting the kid to commit. DM will never just throw out offers "like other SEC coaches do". He feels it is better to offer only those kids he stands a good chance to get.

opcorn:

Sounds like Dooley

 

[BowlBrother85]

I know we have poked a bit of fun at Vandy for it's "offers" they have handed out in 2015. I read something on their board earlier about it.

The fans there claim that DM won't extend an offer to ANY recruit unless he feels very sure that Vandy would be in his top group and a very possible chance of getting the kid to commit. DM will never just throw out offers "like other SEC coaches do". He feels it is better to offer only those kids he stands a good chance to get.

opcorn:

If this is accurate, Vandy is about to hit an all time low point...Show me a guy that only asks out women that he's 100% sure will go out with him and I will show you a guy that probably dates a lot of ugly women.

 

[Tux]

IF the max class is 25:

QB-Jennings
QB-Dormady
RB-Reid
RB-Kamara
WR-Williams
WR-Woods
WR-Jefferson
TE-Oliver
OL-Stewart
OL-Jones
OL-Richmond

DE-Butcher
DE-Phillips
DE/OT-Jackson
DT-Picou
DT-McKenzie
DT-Jones
LB-Cherry
LB-Smith
LB-Sapp
S-Griffin
CB-Ordway
CB-Bruce

LS-Lovingood
P-Townsend

IF Woods does not get his "issues" together, IMO we could either see Martin, McGraw, the 4th OL, or the 4th LB in play.

I would prefer we pick up a 4th LB or another DT in such a situation.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I would prefer we pick up a 4th LB or another DT in such a situation.

I guess it would depend on which DT was the option for that 4th spot. I'm confident we could get a quality CB or LB in the 25th spot if it came to that.

 

[JohnMarxism]

I would prefer we pick up a 4th LB or another DT in such a situation.

I'm sure TG can play LB/DT

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I'm sure TG can play LB/DT

Maybe at UCF.

 

[RockyTop1384]

IF the max class is 25:

QB-Jennings
QB-Dormady
RB-Reid
RB-Kamara
WR-Williams
WR-Jefferson
TE-Oliver
OL-Stewart
OL-Jones
OL-Richmond

DE-Butcher
DE-Phillips
DE/OT-Jackson
DT-Picou
DT-McKenzie
DT-Tuttle
LB-Cherry
LB-Smith
LB-Sapp
S-Griffin
CB-Ordway
CB-Cole/Abernathy/Martin

LS-Lovingood
P-Townsend

IF Woods does not get his "issues" together, IMO we could either see Martin, McGraw, the 4th OL, or the 4th LB in play.

For the sake of discussion, in my perfect, but realistic world, I would not take Woods as a third receiver this class if we haul Williams and Jefferson. I would take any two of Ordway/Cole/Abernathy/Martin at CB over Bruce. I like Tuttle over Jones but would be very happy with either. With the 25th spot I'd take the best of a 4th OL, Sweat, or another elite prospect regardless of position.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

For the sake of discussion, in my perfect, but realistic world, I would not take Woods as a third receiver this class if we haul Williams and Jefferson. I would take any two of Ordway/Cole/Abernathy/Martin at CB over Bruce. I like Tuttle over Jones but would be very happy with either. With the 25th spot I'd take the best of a 4th OL, Sweat, or another elite prospect regardless of position.

I get the feeling we are losing traction with Jones so we'll see how we stand there in a month or so. I just prefer Jones as IMO he would contribute sooner than Tuttle/Settle/or Q. Johnson would.

I think Bruce is a Vol no matter how many fans are fixated on the *'s and would drop him for a higher rated guy. I just can't see a scenario where CBJ rips that kids heart out after taking his commitment. He signs with UT.

Woods IMO is at least questionable as news was he had "some things to take care of". IMO that does open the door for the staff to do something with him IF they choose to use the spot for someone else.

IMO Sweat is not happening.

IF they decide to go with a 4th OL guy, I'd hope it was either Givens(will likely be too late for him), or see them flip Sweet from UNC. He looks to fit the mold of what we need at OT.

 

[AboveAllNations]

IF the max class is 25:

...IF Woods does not get his "issues" together, IMO we could either see Martin, McGraw, the 4th OL, or the 4th LB in play.

Heaven forbid we actually sign a consensus five-star prospect who still lists us as his top school. No, that spot's definitely set aside for a 4th OL or LB...

 

[JRVFL]

So what are we basing Woods potentially not being part of the team on? It seems like pure conjecture based on hearsay of issues, but no one has indicated he wouldn't be, just that it is something to track.

 

[SoMissVol]

So what are we basing Woods potentially not being part of the team on? It seems like pure conjecture based on hearsay of issues, but no one has indicated he wouldn't be, just that it is something to track.

It would appear from short time lurking on this board that there is always one guy in the class that everyone picks on as the "runt" (meaning not good enough for various reason, most of which have no basis on facts). I am not saying that is what is happening with Woods because we do know there are issues there, but it appears he will be "that guy" for this class.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So what are we basing Woods potentially not being part of the team on? It seems like pure conjecture based on hearsay of issues, but no one has indicated he wouldn't be, just that it is something to track.

I don't think it's a sure thing at all that he won't be part of the class. Just looks as though he has some things he has to stay focused on and get done to be able to sign. Probably much closer to NSD before we know for sure.

You can bet many of those saying replace Woods are also in the boat for replacing Bruce, Townsend, and Lovingood. It's about the *'s and not much of anything else.

 

[bignewt]

seems like Bruce/Woods are the same position and same type of recruit. Do we take two of the same right now?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Heaven forbid we actually sign a consensus five-star prospect who still lists us as his top school. No, that spot's definitely set aside for a 4th OL or LB...

A 3rd QB? Would make zero sense to sign a 3rd QB to this class. ZERO.

IF the staff decided to take another WR and Jefferson did not want to be a Vol, maybe the staff considers TG. IMO that ship has sailed and other than twitter followers, TG and UT have more less parted ways.

JMO

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

seems like Bruce/Woods are the same position and same type of recruit. Do we take two of the same right now?

I think Woods is a slot guy. Bruce could be a slot guy or a CB with a little work.
JMO

 

[AboveAllNations]

A 3rd QB? Would make zero sense to sign a 3rd QB to this class. ZERO.

We wouldn't be signing 3 quarterbacks; we'd be signing 1 QB and 2 "athletes" who might be outstanding players at other positions. Even if they are all QBs, recruiting doesn't work on a "first come, first serve" basis. Gibson can still commit in December or January and give Dormady and Jennings enough notice to seriously reconsider their options. It's worth noting that Gibson is by far the highest rated QB prospect among those three players, so he wouldn't be the wasted scholarship in that scenario...

IF the staff decided to take another WR and Jefferson did not want to be a Vol, maybe the staff considers TG.

Maybe Torrance Gibson's a better WR than Jefferson, if reviews from 7-on-7 camps are to be believed. Maybe if Gibson committed the staff might cool off or attempt to "blueshirt" Jacques Bruce like they did with Jerome Dews. Maybe Gibson plays QB and Dormady and/or Jennings sign elsewhere or switch positions. Signing day is still eight months away, so almost anything can happen...

IMO that ship has sailed and other than twitter followers, TG and UT have more less parted ways..

Gibson still describes Tennessee as his "leader," he's still very close with Khalil McKenzie and a number of current Vol players, his high school teammate is probably committing to UT in July, and he stated publicly that he doesn't care that we accepted a commitment from Quentin Dormady. He's made it quite clear he isn't afraid of competition, which he knows he'll face wherever he signs.

Gibson knew the risks of waiting too late to commit, but he's confident enough in his abilities that he can take all the time he needs to make the most important decision of his life. Your irrational dislike of Gibson as a player, your selective pessimism regarding our chances of signing him, and your obsessive, 24-hour-a-day posting in his player thread is utterly inexplicable. JMO, of course.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

We wouldn't be signing 3 quarterbacks; we'd be signing 1 QB and 2 "athletes" who might be outstanding players at other positions. Even if they are all QBs, recruiting doesn't work on a "first come, first serve" basis. Gibson can still commit in December or January and give Dormady and Jennings enough notice to seriously reconsider their options. It's worth noting that Gibson is by far the highest rated QB prospect among those three players, so he wouldn't be the wasted scholarship in that scenario...



Maybe Torrance Gibson's a better WR than Jefferson, if reviews from 7-on-7 camps are to be believed. Maybe if Gibson committed the staff might cool off or attempt to "blueshirt" Jacques Bruce like they did with Jerome Dews. Maybe Gibson plays QB and Dormady and/or Jennings sign elsewhere or switch positions. Signing day is still eight months away, so almost anything can happen...



Gibson still describes Tennessee as his "leader," he's still very close with Khalil McKenzie and a number of current Vol players, his high school teammate is probably committing to UT in July, and he stated publicly that he doesn't care that we accepted a commitment from Quentin Dormady. He's made it quite clear he isn't afraid of competition, which he knows he'll face wherever he signs.

Gibson knew the risks of waiting too late to commit, but he's confident enough in his abilities that he can take all the time he needs to make the most important decision of his life. Your irrational dislike of Gibson as a player, your selective pessimism regarding our chances of signing him, and your obsessive, 24-hour-a-day posting in his player thread is utterly inexplicable. JMO, of course.

TG can wait as long as he likes now since he will not be a factor in UTs class. I'm sure there are a couple schools in FL who would find room for the local kid if he wants in. He'll be alright and UT will be just fine with him going elsewhere. I like the 2 QBs we have onboard. I also like the idea of getting a good QB in 2016.

Van Jefferson plays WR everyday. He does not waste time taking snaps and playing QB as an ATH. He is focused on his WR skills and IMO would make more sense IF the staff decides to take another WR. Him being instate just adds to it be an easier decision.

I understand the *'s have a lot of folks sold on TG and his "what if's". I'm just not one of those people. My opinion will not change. Sorry. The staff misses on several other guys at several other positions and they get to the point where TG as a "best available" is in play, then so be it. Just a handful of spots left and the kids high on the board and IMO we are full before Dec.

 

[Tux]

TG can wait as long as he likes now since he will not be a factor in UTs class. I'm sure there are a couple schools in FL who would find room for the local kid if he wants in. He'll be alright and UT will be just fine with him going elsewhere. I like the 2 QBs we have onboard. I also like the idea of getting a good QB in 2016.

Van Jefferson plays WR everyday. He does not waste time taking snaps and playing QB as an ATH. He is focused on his WR skills and IMO would make more sense IF the staff decides to take another WR. Him being instate just adds to it be an easier decision.

I understand the *'s have a lot of folks sold on TG and his "what if's". I'm just not one of those people. My opinion will not change. Sorry. The staff misses on several other guys at several other positions and they get to the point where TG as a "best available" is in play, then so be it. Just a handful of spots left and the kids high on the board and IMO we are full before Dec.

Chock full of common sense and logic. Hopefully some folks will pay attention and learn from this.

 

[AboveAllNations]

TG can wait as long as he likes now since he will not be a factor in UTs class. I'm sure there are a couple schools in FL who would find room for the local kid if he wants in. He'll be alright and UT will be just fine with him going elsewhere. I like the 2 QBs we have onboard. I also like the idea of getting a good QB in 2016.

Every school in the country would "find room" for a championship-winning athlete of Gibson's caliber. Gibson knows this, so he can afford to wait until he's 100% sure before committing. Of course it would've been ideal if he were ready to commit as early as possible and help bring others aboard, but Gibson is the kind of program-changing player worth waiting for.

Van Jefferson plays WR everyday. He does not waste time taking snaps and playing QB as an ATH. He is focused on his WR skills and IMO would make more sense IF the staff decides to take another WR. Him being instate just adds to it be an easier decision.

Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, Antwaan Randel-el and a whole host of other NFL WRs "wasted time" playing QB at an earlier level, and it didn't seem to hurt them. Playing WR in high school isn't exactly rocket science, so it's not like Gibson's missing anything. If anything, experience at QB gives converted WRs a greater understanding of coverages and ways to get open.

Would you concede that Gibson probably has a higher ceiling at WR than Jefferson and Bruce? He is taller, stronger, and faster than those two...

I understand the *'s have a lot of folks sold on TG and his "what if's". I'm just not one of those people. My opinion will not change. Sorry. The staff misses on several other guys at several other positions and they get to the point where TG as a "best available" is in play, then so be it. Just a handful of spots left and the kids high on the board and IMO we are full before Dec.

Stephen Colbert once complimented George W. Bush for "believ[ing] the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday." At least you're being honest by admitting that you hold a similarly inflexible prejudice against Gibson.

I'm not sold on Torrance Gibson because of the number of stars after his name. I'm sold because his record and jaw-dropping highlight reel PROVES he can win games against the toughest level of competition. It's so funny to me how Gibson haters can criticize others for "stargazing" while simultaneously buying into unsubstantiated hype about a pocket passer who hasn't played in a game since 2012. Dormady and Jennings may be great, but Gibson is far more proven commodity than either of them.

The bottom line is that UT will find room for Gibson if he wants to be here, and it still looks like he does. I would adjust your projected signing class accordingly.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Every school in the country would "find room" for a championship-winning athlete of Gibson's caliber. Gibson knows this, so he can afford to wait until he's 100% sure before committing. Of course it would've been ideal if he were ready to commit as early as possible and help bring others aboard, but Gibson is the kind of program-changing player worth waiting for.



Anquan Boldin, Hines Ward, Antwaan Randel-el and a whole host of other NFL WRs "wasted time" playing QB at an earlier level, and it didn't seem to hurt them. Playing WR in high school isn't exactly rocket science, so it's not like Gibson's missing anything. If anything, experience at QB gives converted WRs a greater understanding of coverages and ways to get open.

Would you concede that Gibson probably has a higher ceiling at WR than Jefferson and Bruce? He is taller, stronger, and faster than those two...



Stephen Colbert once complimented George W. Bush for "believ[ing] the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday." At least you're being honest by admitting that you hold a similarly inflexible prejudice against Gibson.

I'm not sold on Torrance Gibson because of the number of stars after his name. I'm sold because his record and jaw-dropping highlight reel PROVES he can win games against the toughest level of competition. It's so funny to me how Gibson haters can criticize others for "stargazing" while simultaneously buying into unsubstantiated hype about a pocket passer who hasn't played in a game since 2012. Dormady and Jennings may be great, but Gibson is far more proven commodity than either of them.

The bottom line is that UT will find room for Gibson if he wants to be here, and it still looks like he does. I would adjust your projected signing class accordingly.

My guess is we will probably never really know if CBJ would have taken TG or not. I do fully expect him to end up elsewhere, but I doubt he will remove Tennessee from "his list" and he may not even remove them from #1 as it would hurt his followers in a very big way. When he picks someone other than UT, folks like yourself will just chalk it up to him choosing to go elsewhere and we missed out. In reality I don't think UT would take him even today. JMO of course.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Have seen a lot of talk in other threads about DL & OL recruits and depth. Figured I would look and see how UT's taking these kids compares to other top SEC schools.

In 2013, 2014 and so far in 2015 is what I looked at. Of course schools will still add kids to the 2015 class.

Tennessee- 19 DL & 9 OL(1 spot for Richmond Incl).
Bama- 15 DL & 13 OL.
AU- 9 DL & 8 OL.
UF- 12 DL & 12 OL.
UGA- 14 DL & 8 OL.
LSU- 13 DL & 12 OL.

There has been talk of Robertson and or Mosley switching to OL, but it does sound like both will a least start out on the DL.

 

[SoMissVol]

Have seen a lot of talk in other threads about DL & OL recruits and depth. Figured I would look and see how UT's taking these kids compares to other top SEC schools.

In 2013, 2014 and so far in 2015 is what I looked at. Of course schools will still add kids to the 2015 class.

Tennessee- 19 DL & 9 OL(1 spot for Richmond Incl).
Bama- 15 DL & 13 OL.
AU- 9 DL & 8 OL.
UF- 12 DL & 12 OL.
UGA- 14 DL & 8 OL.
LSU- 13 DL & 12 OL.

There has been talk of Robertson and or Mosley switching to OL, but it does sound like both will a least start out on the DL.

Thanks for this! Pretty comforting knowing we are basically on track with other SEC schools.

 

[k-town_king]

Why is this still being discussed? Every sane person knows we will not sign everyone we have committed right now and spots will be found for talented players. We didn't sign 8 commits that we had at this time last year.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Why is this still being discussed? Every sane person knows we will not sign everyone we have committed right now and spots will be found for talented players. We didn't sign 8 commits that we had at this time last year.

It's being discussed because some want to discuss it. You don't have to read it. You don't have to walk in pouting. By all means just ignore the thread if you need to. I can assure you that no one will mind. :hi: