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#6,976
#6,976
VolGee4 said:
To be honest, Barnes has been the victim of his own success. If he goes 4 straight .500 years, then he retires or gets fired. But he developed players, resulting in a year 3 that ended up with a 2 seed. Then expectations soared, and now people say that not getting beyond the SS in 2019 was underachieving. The pay raise is irrelevant because he got it after year 4. If he was being paid 4.7 million initially, then there is a debate.

Now at 16-6, he is underachieving again. I understand the argument, but to me, it's the very definition of being the victim of your own success.
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It’s unfortunate that this roster mix didn’t include better upper class leadership. Pons, Fulk, and Bailey all make significant contributions but none of them come close to getting the type of response from teammates that Admiral Schofield could.
 
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Is thus a football only guideline? If not I think we have a violation or two.

4. Respect the players Fans often get upset with players for their performance on the field or other issues that may affect their contributions. It's certainly allowable to criticize players for their play, but personal attacks, name calling, etc. of Tennessee players is frowned upon.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Is thus a football only guideline? If not I think we have a violation or two.

4. Respect the players Fans often get upset with players for their performance on the field or other issues that may affect their contributions. It's certainly allowable to criticize players for their play, but personal attacks, name calling, etc. of Tennessee players is frowned upon.
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You see any board violations you can eagerly report them and a mod will review it.
 
#6,979
#6,979
zjcvols said:
Should Barnes be fired? Nope. Is he coasting to retirement? Nope.

But I think you’re starting to see a trend. It’s not over yet but assuming we don’t win the SECT or make it out of the first round this will be the third straight year Tennessee has underachieved. The problem is the outdated offense he refuses to change. And with Johnson/Springer/Pons leaving and maybe Fulkerson, Barnes might have to replace 4 of the top 6 from this years rotation. Chandler is uber talented but I don’t trust the staff to use him properly. He’s gonna need 1-2 legitimate grad transfers to help the 2022 Vols be a tournament team.
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You're probably right. I'm at the point that I'm hoping we have one of those out of the blue hot streaks that I've never really seen a UT have other than maybe the 1991 SECT. Just once I'd love to see one of those magical runs.
 
#6,982
#6,982
To be fair this is also one haha

14. Public criticism of moderators or the board is not allowed. If you have a problem with any of these rules, one of our moderators, or anything regarding how we choose to run this forum feel free to contact me. I will be happy to listen to your side and have a rational discussion. I'm not very tolerant of someone publicly calling out our moderators or the way we enforce the rules. It's a thankless job and our moderators volunteer their time. In addition, the forum is not a place to discuss banned members or post your opinion of the guidelines we've chosen. In general, any moderating discussion should be sent to the link above.
 
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BTW, reporting “respect the players” violations will require more mods to keep up. Is “a waste of a scholarship” disrespectful? What about “should transfer to Carson-Newman”?
 
#6,984
#6,984
Vol49er said:
To be fair this is also one haha

14. Public criticism of moderators or the board is not allowed. If you have a problem with any of these rules, one of our moderators, or anything regarding how we choose to run this forum feel free to contact me. I will be happy to listen to your side and have a rational discussion. I'm not very tolerant of someone publicly calling out our moderators or the way we enforce the rules. It's a thankless job and our moderators volunteer their time. In addition, the forum is not a place to discuss banned members or post your opinion of the guidelines we've chosen. In general, any moderating discussion should be sent to the link above.
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TGO hasn’t called me out or been disrespectful. We prefer mod questions to be handled personally but he’s fine.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
BTW, reporting “respect the players” violations will require more mods to keep up. Is “a waste of a scholarship” disrespectful? What about “should transfer to Carson-Newman”?
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Not really. More like “Santi should be deported back to Uruguay” would be a violation. We also are less strict on game threads.
 
#6,987
#6,987
Vol49er said:
To be fair this is also one haha

14. Public criticism of moderators or the board is not allowed. If you have a problem with any of these rules, one of our moderators, or anything regarding how we choose to run this forum feel free to contact me. I will be happy to listen to your side and have a rational discussion. I'm not very tolerant of someone publicly calling out our moderators or the way we enforce the rules. It's a thankless job and our moderators volunteer their time. In addition, the forum is not a place to discuss banned members or post your opinion of the guidelines we've chosen. In general, any moderating discussion should be sent to the link above.
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I might need to review all of them. I knew about not publicly criticizing the “moderators”, but totally overlooked “the board”. I’m surprised that I’ve never been banned.
 
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VolGee4 said:
To be honest, Barnes has been the victim of his own success. If he goes 4 straight .500 years, then he retires or gets fired. But he developed players, resulting in a year 3 that ended up with a 2 seed. Then expectations soared, and now people say that not getting beyond the SS in 2019 was underachieving. The pay raise is irrelevant because he got it after year 4. If he was being paid 4.7 million initially, then there is a debate.

Now at 16-6, he is underachieving again. I understand the argument, but to me, it's the very definition of being the victim of your own success.
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Very true
 
#6,992
#6,992
zjcvols said:
Banned
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#6,993
zjcvols said:
I said I didn’t like the hire because of the lack of upside with his postseason success (which wow guess who has been right on that). I never said he would fail or that it would be a disaster.

And I said from the get go he’s fine as a 15-20 mpg guy. Which he is. He’s gotten hot the last 3 games. And he’s played better. I remember you vouching for him over Springer and Johnson because he was lighting up Appalachian State and Tennessee Tech though. Why weren’t you bringing up my Bailey takes when he had 32 points in six games before the South Carolina game?
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Lmao, I’m gonna go back and find some of your Barnes takes from years 1 & 2 later this evening, you aren’t really being totally forthcoming lol.
 
#6,994
#6,994
bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao, I’m gonna go back and find some of your Barnes takes from years 1 & 2 later this evening, you aren’t really being totally forthcoming lol.
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That’s fine. You can bring up my wrong Cuonzo takes too we both shared. I didn’t like the low upside hire (I said it was a Don Devoe/Cuonzo type hire) and he’s been better than I thought in terms of his regular season upside (his 2018-2019 season specifically). He’s still had a lack of postseason success and I still hate his offense. But he’s fine here at UT. He better make the tourney next year though if this year doesn’t produce a good postseason.
 
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#6,995
zjcvols said:
That’s fine. You can bring up my wrong Cuonzo takes too we both shared. I didn’t like the low upside hire (I said it was a Don Devoe/Cuonzo type hire) and he’s been better than I thought in terms of his regular season upside (his 2018-2019 season specifically). He’s still had a lack of postseason success and I still hate his offense. But he’s fine here at UT. He better make the tourney next year though if this year doesn’t produce a good postseason.
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That Dru Flember from Bearden gonna take us to the finle fore nex yeer. He Gonna avg 38 boards and 42 pts per game and that is on mediocre nights. He wil bee takin foolz off da drible all dat tyme. Just wate n cee!
 
#6,996
#6,996
zjcvols said:
That’s fine. You can bring up my wrong Cuonzo takes too we both shared. I didn’t like the low upside hire (I said it was a Don Devoe/Cuonzo type hire) and he’s been better than I thought in terms of his regular season upside (his 2018-2019 season specifically). He’s still had a lack of postseason success and I still hate his offense. But he’s fine here at UT. He better make the tourney next year though if this year doesn’t produce a good postseason.
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If he doesn’t make the tournament with Chandler, JJJ, Bailey, Vescovi, Mashack, Nkamhoua, Fulk(?), Anosike, plus anyone else we add, then I’ll be nearing the “Fahr Barnes” train. That will be an abomination to not make the tournament with that group.
 
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cncchris33 said:
If he doesn’t make the tournament with Chandler, JJJ, Bailey, Vescovi, Mashack, Nkamhoua, Fulk(?), Anosike, plus anyone else we add, then I’ll be nearing the “Fahr Barnes” train. That will be an abomination to not make the tournament with that group.
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If Fulk comes back and gets healthier I won’t be very worried about that being a NCAAT team.

If he doesn’t, I will be really concerned. I don’t trust that they will use Chandler correctly in the offense. They won’t have any big guys I trust to play more than 10 minutes. Bailey is hit and miss. Vescovi is an SEC player but limited. JJJ isn’t a scorer. Will Mashack be any better than Keon? Completely unlikely. There are serious concerns.
 
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#6,998
#6,998
zjcvols said:
1) Trust me I don’t like game threads at all but you’re right. It’s a place where people can vent.

2) I think you’re overly sensitive to a coach you love. We still get plenty of traffic in the bball forum. We haven’t noticed any sort of dip in overall threads and posts. And again a month ago before the team started struggling this place was pretty jovial. The last month the team hasn’t played well. Hence the more negativity. Go check the FF forum before the Georgia game and then after the Texas A&M game, same thing lol. The only thing I truly get annoyed by is the constant times Pearl is brought up. Everyone needs to let that ship go. People who bring it up and people who respond.
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Heck check the Georgia game thread before and after halftime.
 
#6,999
#6,999
zjcvols said:
That’s fine. You can bring up my wrong Cuonzo takes too we both shared. I didn’t like the low upside hire (I said it was a Don Devoe/Cuonzo type hire) and he’s been better than I thought in terms of his regular season upside (his 2018-2019 season specifically). He’s still had a lack of postseason success and I still hate his offense. But he’s fine here at UT. He better make the tourney next year though if this year doesn’t produce a good postseason.
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He has the roster next year to make the NCAA Tournament. However, if he misses the tournament, then I’ll start having legitimate concern about Barnes future.

Right now, there’s no need to panic.
 
#7,000
#7,000
cncchris33 said:
If he doesn’t make the tournament with Chandler, JJJ, Bailey, Vescovi, Mashack, Nkamhoua, Fulk(?), Anosike, plus anyone else we add, then I’ll be nearing the “Fahr Barnes” train. That will be an abomination to not make the tournament with that group.
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Where is Fulk going to go? I thought he would be returning next year.
 
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