The Official #15 Tennessee vs. Tennessee Tech Game Thread, 3:00 PM ET, SEC Network+

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Vols8086 said:
Nothing about luck is factual. Its a feeble minded attempt to justify a failure.
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It wasn't luck that UT's rim protector, Alexander was hurt against Loyola-Chicago and the game winning shot took 3 bounces before it fell in the basket ? That's not even including that foul call on Turner after Purdue's best shooter missed a three. 2 plays and Barnes has at least another Sweet 16 and an Elite 8 at UT. 2 plays and the whole narrative about Barnes Tournament success, at UT is totally different. Luck, imo
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
That’s a stupid comment. Luck is huge in the NCAAT. So are matchups. It’s a one-and-done format.
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Basketball was really meant to be a series sport like baseball because of the luck factor. There’s a reason each round of the NBA postseason is a best of 7 - it’s much more likely to result in the true best team winning. You’d have wildly different results if it were a single game.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
I believe you are mistaking the reaction to certain posters (1 in particular)...from my perspective you have had a number of batsh*t crazy narratives for years (e.g., CRB is lazy and coasting to retirement, CRB can't recruit, CRB is paid too much which probably comes from posters who complained for years we would not pay for a known football coach - lol, etc...) combined with blatant omission of contextual facts (e.g., the state of the program when CRB took over) which results in other posters calling them out and rightfully so. The one fair criticism is CRB's lack of postseason success but, again, some context is needed as it relates to UT IMO (e.g., it was not reasonable to expect CRB to make the tourney in year 1 or 2, Fulky not playing in Rd1 last year, etc...).

At the end of the day, we have one of the best (not perfect...don't get it twisted) coaches of all time coaching our team and he took a dumpster fire (and, yes, when national media is reporting about your racist fans/boosters and the roster is depleted it is a dumpster fire - not going to engage anyone to debate this) and quickly turned us into a ranked team on the court with expectations set at making the tourney every year. Lastly, CRB has built a program known for developing and shaping the character of these young men while growing his reputation for putting players in the league.
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Complaining about “batshit crazy narratives” then calling Rick Barnes one of the greatest coaches “of all time” is rich.
 
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zjcvols said:
Complaining about “batshit crazy narratives” then calling Rick Barnes one of the greatest coaches “of all time” is rich.
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Do you think he WILL NOT be a HOF coach at the end of his career? That is where the BEST end up. Not going to challenge Wooden or even Coach K (who i can acknowledge as one of the best even though I don't LIKE him) for all time greatness, but among the BEST. I am particularly happy that I don't have to worry about the program being smacked for breaking rules. He will be a no risk selection for post career honors. His numbers would be better if he pushed some envelopes within the rules, but that would be in conflict with the character and integrity requirements he puts on his players. I bet he would pass the PHS eye test all day. That is important to some of us, hopefully most of us VOL fans. We have been stained by the Bruce (who I loved) and Tyndall legacy since they pushed the envelope to different degrees. Coach may in fact screw up down the road, but it won't be a systemic problem.
 
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zjcvols said:
Complaining about “batshit crazy narratives” then calling Rick Barnes one of the greatest coaches “of all time” is rich.
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So you are saying CRB will not be a HOF coach or are you saying a HOF coach is not one of the greatest coaches of all time? Please clarify your statement
 
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SGMVols said:
Basketball was really meant to be a series sport like baseball because of the luck factor. There’s a reason each round of the NBA postseason is a best of 7 - it’s much more likely to result in the true best team winning. You’d have wildly different results if it were a single game.
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Too much logic
 
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Vols8086 said:
Nothing about luck is factual. Its a feeble minded attempt to justify a failure.
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Don’t tell KenPom luck isn’t a factor. Luck, a single bad call here and there, and just the fact that basketball is a game of chance many nights all point to upsets in high pressure tournament settings. That kind of logic you use says that a ton of good teams, many with better talent, have coaches who are tournament failures. One poor shooting night and you’re gone. Barnes, Self, Coach K, Few, etc are tournament failures most years. ONE team wins every year.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
So you are saying CRB will not be a HOF coach or are you saying a HOF coach is not one of the greatest coaches of all time? Please clarify your statement
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I’m saying no matter if Barnes ends up in the HOF or not, he’s not one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Gene Keady made the HOF, you think he’s one of the greatest coaches of all time?
 
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omghulkhands said:
Depends on your definition I suppose
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There are 100 coaches in the college basketball hall of fame. Sure I’d don’t think it’s silly to say Rick Barnes is a top 100 college coach ever (which is cool) but that doesn’t mean he’s one of the greatest ever would be my argument.
 
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I know nothing about college basketball coaches and the Hall of Fame but if it's like baseball with the stat compilers making it, Barnes will be in. He is essentially the Craig Biggio of basketball coaching.
 
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ColinS said:
I know nothing about college basketball coaches and the Hall of Fame but if it's like baseball with the stat compilers making it, Barnes will be in. He is essentially the Craig Biggio of basketball coaching.
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Baseball HOF is way harder to get into than Basketball HOF. Like 10x harder at least.
 
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zjcvols said:
There are 100 coaches in the college basketball hall of fame. Sure I’d don’t think it’s silly to say Rick Barnes is a top 100 college coach ever (which is cool) but that doesn’t mean he’s one of the greatest ever would be my argument.
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It’s really just semantics.
 
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zjcvols said:
I’m saying no matter if Barnes ends up in the HOF or not, he’s not one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Gene Keady made the HOF, you think he’s one of the greatest coaches of all time?
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Well, you are entitled to your opinion even if it is unreasonable...lol. Any rational person would say that being inducted into the HOF for your chosen profession qualifies you as "one of the greatest". But you somehow try to equate that position as being batsh*t crazy and compare it to the asinine narratives which have been pushed by some posters...lol. You have good insights and bring good stuff to the board most of the time but your dislike (and possibly contempt) for CRB really detracts from your credibility at times.
 
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zjcvols said:
There are 100 coaches in the college basketball hall of fame. Sure I’d don’t think it’s silly to say Rick Barnes is a top 100 college coach ever (which is cool) but that doesn’t mean he’s one of the greatest ever would be my argument.
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But you would likely equate it to a batsh*t crazy narrative based on your previous reply...lol. The mental gymnastics here are approaching olympic level and, for the record, I am not saying CRB is one of the greatest coaches out of who is in the HOF so I guess we agree more than we disagree.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
But you would likely equate it to a batsh*t crazy narrative based on your previous reply...lol. The mental gymnastics here are approaching olympic level and, for the record, I agree with you that CRB is not one of the elite coaches who will be in the HOF so I guess we agree more than we disagree.
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Can you think of some other coaches with his longevity at high level D1 programs and his win totals and who have avoided NCAA troubles who aren’t in the HOF? CRB is a very likable guy and the HOF is a bit of a popularity contest. I think he’s a lock if he works out his current contract and remains on the same trajectory of success he’s had here since the 3rd season. JMO
 
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I cannot think of any examples off the top of my head and I assume there are very few, if any, examples. I went and looked at the list of all-time Div I wins for men' basketball and there are only 124 coaches with over 500 wins (CRB is 1 of the only 28 on this list that are currently active). Interestingly enough, CRB is in the Top 30 (at #27) for average wins per season and Top 60 (at #59) for winning percentage. This is pretty impressive to me given he has never coached a blue blood and has often taken over under performing programs. Based on his body of work to this point, I believe he is a lock already to make the HOF but there is no doubt he can add to his resume and a few more winning seasons with a couple deep runs in the tourney would do just that.
 
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I think the election to the HOF should be based around this question: When you write about the era of that person can you leave them out?

If you can leave them out, then they aren't a HOFer. If you have to include them, then they are. Now that isn't the way it necessarily works and Barnes is the college basketball equivalent of Philip Rivers to me. His longevity and overall stats are going to be impossible to ignore and will most likely lead to a HOF spot. However, you never considered them in the true elite status and honestly, if we were writing about basketball over the last few decades, you could tell the story of this era without Barnes inclusion. Much like you could write about the NFL over the last 2 decades and not include Rivers.
 
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Thought we looked like a team really coming together, very comfortable with each other. Great game at Colorado!!
 
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