The Official #19 Tennessee @ Mississippi State Game Thread, 9:00 PM ET, ESPN 2

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vols 30 said:
But those same coaches help ON improve, and Uros is better than he was last year.

BHH and Aidoo are just freshman. Give them some more time.

Fulky is a different story. Covid seems to have messed him up physically. He's still contributing in small doses
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I see fight in Aidoo with some skills. bHH plays like a black Uros from last year
 
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ColinS said:
UP went back to his early season woes of constantly getting beat on defense in this game. The bad footwork returned. It scared me when Barnes put him back in the game late but he was fine. I was really impressed with Aidoo.
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Not sure if it was poor play on UP’s part, but that spin move by their center when the shot clock was expiring was pretty!
 
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KB5252 said:
It was rough in long stretches, refs did us no favors either but the criticism of the offense by most here was warranted.
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There was bias in the calls the whole game. In the last minute and a half for example, on ZZ's second drive 13 contacted him as he began his shot, the guy that cleanly blocked it up high came down on his back while still in the air yet on the ensuing possession one of their bigs missed a drive and if there was any incidental contact it was far less than either of those 15 seconds earlier.

Not long after that ZZ took one of those inbound passes and was in fact close to the endline with his right foot, but my stop action on that clearly shows the entire purple line in tact, not white sole or even an upturned orange toe over the line. Close is not in the rule book contact is required. I have it frozen on my TV right now. Believe that play is reviewable in the final minutes too, but they passed. It was close, and maybe close enough they could have hidden behind the indisputable clause, but they could not have CONFIRMED it either. Home whistle I guess.

They sure took a long time looking at one of those OOB calls tryng to overturn it. During this whole sequence on those multiple inbounds plays after much contact with no whistle until we cleanly secured it with position to advance it they called fouls to force another inbounds pass. Had to, because they had allowed so much during the whole half that they entered that critical time with only 3 fouls in the half. That timing forces one to wonder if they had secured the ball instead if the whistle would have blown.

I think the refs must have gotten the message at half it had been so one sided that the second half was better, but the ratio of no-brainer misses on calls and no calls for the game was really bad. Go back and look at contact on Chander's 3 at the first half buzzer compared to the one they called on ZZ late in the game.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
There was bias in the calls the whole game. In the last minute and a half for example, on ZZ's second drive 13 contacted him as he began his shot, the guy that cleanly blocked it up high came down on his back while still in the air yet on the ensuing possession one of their bigs missed a drive and if there was any incidental contact it was far less than either of those 15 seconds earlier.

Not long after that ZZ took one of those inbound passes and was in fact close to the endline with his right foot, but my stop action on that clearly shows the entire purple line in tact, not white sole or even an upturned orange toe over the line. Close is not in the rule book contact is required. I have it frozen on my TV right now. Believe that play is reviewable in the final minutes too, but they passed. It was close, and maybe close enough they could have hidden behind the indisputable clause, but they could not have CONFIRMED it either. Home whistle I guess.

They sure took a long time looking at one of those OOB calls tryng to overturn it. During this whole sequence on those multiple inbounds plays after much contact with no whistle until we cleanly secured it with position to advance it they called fouls to force another inbounds pass. Had to, because they had allowed so much during the whole half that they entered that critical time with only 3 fouls in the half. That timing forces one to wonder if they had secured the ball instead if the whistle would have blown.

I think the refs must have gotten the message at half it had been so one sided that the second half was better, but the ratio of no-brainer misses on calls and no calls for the game was really bad. Go back and look at contact on Chander's 3 at the first half buzzer compared to the one they called on ZZ late in the game.
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Refs were mostly fine in second half. ZZ looked like he stepped out to me. The review on the shot that went out of bounds was tricky. It would have been upheld whichever way it was called on the floor. One angle looked like the Miss. St. big grazed the ball and one angle looked like he didn't touch it.

I'm just happy that the reach in fouls on traps were called accurately in the final minutes and that ZZ's turnover didn't bite us.
 
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Mikevol1964 said:
Not sure I watched the same game as you. In the first half for about 5-8 mins ok. But the 2nd half was pretty impressive especially on the road.
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There were stretches of the second half that was passing up open shots and forcing bad shots. The first 5 to 6 minutes and the last 5 minutes or so we're very good. Everything in between was inconsistent. There were periods of good ball followed by periods of mediocre (at best) ball.

I guess we didn't watch the same game.
 
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KB5252 said:
There were stretches of the second half that was passing up open shots and forcing bad shots. The first 5 to 6 minutes and the last 5 minutes or so we're very good. Everything in between was inconsistent. There were periods of good ball followed by periods of mediocre (at best) ball.

I guess we didn't watch the same game.
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I get your point and I agree. My response was poorly worded. It was a road game in a tough environment. Overall I thought the offense was fine.
 
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CAVPUT said:
To be honest, I think fans fail to realize the change in the life of BHH. He's barely 18. He should be putting up ridiculous numbers in HS and going to proms right now. Instead, he's jumped into college and learning to live on his own, take care of himself and adjust to an academic environment that if far different than HS. He's physically no where near ready to bang with the bigs in this league some of whom are 4-5 years older and more mature than he is. I can remember a fat kid by the name of Grant Williams who many thought would never see the floor at a major college much less the NBA. The biggest problem BHH has is that there are no other bigs on this roster that he can learn behind and lean on like the guards do with JJJ. That's on Barnes and his recruiting. Instead of trying to build an NBA roster, he needs to recruit legit post players for his roster. No, BHH isn't currently playing like an SEC player, but it's hard to be critical if one can try to put themselves in his shoes and imaging the huge change in his life over the last 12 mos. If the kid comes back next year, I suspect you'll see an enormous transformation in his body, mind and game. All I know is that Barnes better grab a serious post player from the portal for next season.
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I believe it's been pointed out that BHH was a class of 21 that moved to 22 then back to 21. So he should be a freshman, many 18 year olds are freshmen. I also don't recall Grant being a fat kid. He was well muscled in high school. A legit 5 star talent that services missed on. He was game ready from day 1 at UT.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I believe it's been pointed out that BHH was a class of 21 that moved to 22 then back to 21. So he should be a freshman, many 18 year olds are freshmen. I also don't recall Grant being a fat kid. He was well muscled in high school. A legit 5 star talent that services missed on. He was game ready from day 1 at UT.
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I recall clearly many on VolNation questioning Barnes signing of 3 star Grant Williams.
 
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I’ve seen a lot of takes in BHH. Here is my thought.
The kid is obviously extremely talented as an athlete. You can see it in the way he moves and jumps and his quick twitch for being so big.
To me, he is just not processing the game speed and is over thinking things. I’m sure he is a beast in practice where the pressure isn’t as great, but in the game yesterday, he seemed timid and afraid to make a mistake. Definitely over thinking. And also definitely not processing things at the game speed of college.
 
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Franklin_Vol09 said:
I’ve seen a lot of takes in BHH. Here is my thought.
The kid is obviously extremely talented as an athlete. You can see it in the way he moves and jumps and his quick twitch for being so big.
To me, he is just not processing the game speed and is over thinking things. I’m sure he is a beast in practice where the pressure isn’t as great, but in the game yesterday, he seemed timid and afraid to make a mistake. Definitely over thinking. And also definitely not processing things at the game speed of college.
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Wonder if he can swing a driver
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Gotta love revisionist history…also wasn’t just services that missed, his 2 schools of choose were Yale & Tennessee.
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It's not revisionist history. The revisionist history is acting like Grant was fat when he arrived here and like he was a project. He was a major miss by recruiting services and other schools, that doesn't mean he wasn't an elite player the day he hit campus. He nearly head a double double in his first game and had multiple 30 point games as a freshman, as well as multiple 10+ rebound double doubles. That is not a project, that's a miss by others. I give Barnes and company major props for finding him. But it's a big insult to Williams to act like he showed up here as anything less than one of the best freshman we've had in the 2000s, if not the best.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I believe it's been pointed out that BHH was a class of 21 that moved to 22 then back to 21. So he should be a freshman, many 18 year olds are freshmen. I also don't recall Grant being a fat kid. He was well muscled in high school. A legit 5 star talent that services missed on. He was game ready from day 1 at UT.
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He has an early birthday though. We have the same issue with my son, whose birthday is two days away from BHH's birthday. Just because he was originally in the 2021 class doesn't mean much. We decided to hold my son back, which would be like BHH in the 2022 class.

Not sure why we have to compare him to Grant. He was obviously better than the services had him ranked, but Grant had all of the playing time he wanted because our roster was being made over. BHH was never going to get those same minutes with 2/3 upper classmen at those positions.
 
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