The Official 2nd Amendment Appreciation Thread

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This is from a friends post.

In the next 48 hours the DOJ will publish a letter for a rule change on the Federal Register that will possibly change the public perception of braces and place the ATF in a position to rule on any individual braced pistol to be an illegal SBR. Things like caliber, length of pull, accessories like scopes, forward hand grips, drum magazines and bipods may lead the ATF to deem your particular firearm to be an illegal SBR. However, the letter does not offer any detailed guidance as to the specifics such as the calibers that make it a SBR, the specific length of pull, the weight, etc. it only speaks in generalities. Because the letter does not clearly define what is a legal braced configuration vs. an illegal SBR, it leaves owners to guess for themselves what might be legal and what isn’t. Owners will have the option of registering their braced pistol on the NFA but the tax will we waived as long as the gun was in said configuration prior to the publication of the DOJ letter. You will also be able to remove the brace, surrender the gun, change the barrel length to 16” or destroy the firearm. The letter on the Federal Register will be open for comments for 2 weeks. The end of the letter states that the rule change does not carry the force of law. So what does it mean? Only the ATF and DOJ seem to know. Welcome to the largest gun registration scheme in US history.
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IMPORTANT: NOTICE OF PROPOSED BRACED PISTOL LEGALITY
This is the actual proposed notice / rule change from the DOJ and ATF regarding braced pistols. This is the document that will set the tone for ATF’s enforcement arm and how they will potentially view each individual firearm with a brace.
You will notice in this document plenty of ambiguity and lack of clarification on things such as what specific features would make a legally braced pistol vs. an illegal SBR.
It’s 16 pages of text. I encourage everyone to share and read this document. Then start blowing up the phone lines of everyone from the President to your congressmen.
My lawyer tells me the APA requires more than 2 weeks for comments for a formal rule change. This may change by the time this is published to the Federal Register sometime most likely tomorrow. There are a lot more questions than answers in this document.
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I will link the documents they posted if anyone wants to read them.

BATF-braces.pdf
 
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C1500 said:
This is from a friends post.





I will link the documents they posted if anyone wants to read them.

BATF-braces.pdf
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Lol. What a crock of s**t. They supposedly had only approved 2 SB braces which SB says is bs. If it’s about braces though why not just allow people to swap to an approved brace? That would be too easy which is why they word things the way they do so they can continually move the goalposts. That said there’s not much difference in any brace that’s out there to begin with. A better question is why are we at this point when they should’ve had clear cut criteria YEARS ago.
 
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C-south said:
Lol. What a crock of s**t. They supposedly had only approved 2 SB braces which SB says is bs. If it’s about braces though why not just allow people to swap to an approved brace? That would be too easy which is why they word things the way they do so they can continually move the goalposts. That said there’s not much difference in any brace that’s out there to begin with. A better question is why are we at this point when they should’ve had clear cut criteria YEARS ago.
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it’s past time that we the people draw a line in the sand and say no more.
 
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C-south said:
Lol. What a crock of s**t. They supposedly had only approved 2 SB braces which SB says is bs. If it’s about braces though why not just allow people to swap to an approved brace? That would be too easy which is why they word things the way they do so they can continually move the goalposts. That said there’s not much difference in any brace that’s out there to begin with. A better question is why are we at this point when they should’ve had clear cut criteria YEARS ago.
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When was the last time the supreme court even listened to a second amendment case? Im not a owner of any SBR's and not a big fan of them for my style. Problem is if we let every little bit slide, It will all be gone before we know it.
 
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C1500 said:
When was the last time the supreme court even listened to a second amendment case? Im not a owner of any SBR's and not a big fan of them for my style. Problem is if we let every little bit slide, It will all be gone before we know it.
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I got one because it checks a lot of boxes. It’s something I’ll be more likely to shoot, I can carry it in my vehicle concealed with my cwp, and it’s good for home defense. I don’t know why it’s came to this point and why they couldn’t have just laid out the specific criteria years ago. What’s even moving the bar now for them to need to make any sort of change? They admittedly have braces that they’ve approved but one option on their list of options is to remove it altogether and replacing with an approved one isn’t even an option. The ATF is a rogue cluster f***k organization.
 
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C-south said:
I got one because it checks a lot of boxes. It’s something I’ll be more likely to shoot, I can carry it in my vehicle concealed with my cwp, and it’s good for home defense. I don’t know why it’s came to this point and why they couldn’t have just laid out the specific criteria years ago. What’s even moving the bar now for them to need to make any sort of change? They admittedly have braces that they’ve approved but one option on their list of options is to remove it altogether and replacing with an approved one isn’t even an option. The ATF is a rogue cluster f***k organization.
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ATF has no idea what they are doing. The Founders would already be stacking bodies.

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C1500 said:
ATF has no idea what they are doing. The Founders would already be stacking bodies.

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Another thing, the brace was brought about to help handicapable people be able to exercise their rights. Wouldn’t this be oppressive especially to them?
 
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C-south said:
Another thing, the brace was brought about to help handicapable people be able to exercise their rights. Wouldn’t this be oppressive especially to them?
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One would think. I don't think the ATF is smart enough to understand things like "rights" and "for the people". I read a ATF gun law book once, everything they put down was overwritten by another law. They are the people that like to talk just to hear themselves talk in a empty room. I'm sure the ATF will come up with a law that if your not capable of handling a firearm without a brace, then your not physically able to use a firearm safely and should not have one.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
How much?
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$40.

Related question: any recommendations on a shotgun child-safe lock? I'd like to keep it accessible, and I don't really want to put a long-gun quick safe in the bedroom or closet. Maybe a coded trigger lock? Or is there some kind of forend lock?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
$40.

Related question: any recommendations on a shotgun child-safe lock? I'd like to keep it accessible, and I don't really want to put a long-gun quick safe in the bedroom or closet. Maybe a coded trigger lock? Or is there some kind of forend lock?
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I’ve gone with the small rifle safe just inside the closet.
So I’m not really much help.
 
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