The Official 2nd Amendment Appreciation Thread

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Grand Vol said:
Primary Arms.
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Red dot? Prism? Low Powered Variable? Want relatively quickly target acquisition but would be nice to have the flexibility to have some slight magnification. Maybe a fixed 3x prism? Or is this a case where I should have different optics depending on the specific situation I’m shooting in? I already have a 2.5-8x Leopold on my hunting rifle
 
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golfballs said:
Red dot? Prism? Low Powered Variable? Want relatively quickly target acquisition but would be nice to have the flexibility to have some slight magnification. Maybe a fixed 3x prism? Or is this a case where I should have different optics depending on the specific situation I’m shooting in? I already have a 2.5-8x Leopold on my hunting rifle
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Let me take a look when I'm back on my laptop.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, if it was upgrades you were looking for, I certainly could have spent your money lol

Just ask @GreyWolf1129
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Truth. Then again, thanks to GV and a couple of others around here I now have 3 very solid AR's. An SBR for duty/HD work; a solid 16" backup; and another 16" set up for longer ranges (100+). None of my guns has anything in or on them that I don't need, and every one of them are solid guns, despite GV's low opinion of Colts. Mine are solid fighting guns.

It was worth every penny. I figured out the ammo part by myself.

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DancingOutlaw said:
If you call the ATF about the same issue three times you’ll get four different answers.
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I didn't. When I was debating "SBR -vs- AR pistol" I called an ATF agent I know professionally. He hooked me up with a "gunner" out of the Savannah, GA office, and I probably spent the better part of an hour talking pros and cons with him. By the time I hung up, I knew exactly what I wanted, and the best way to go about getting it.

Yeah, there are some jerks out there, but there are also some folks...just like us, by the way...who will go out of their way to keep you inside the lines.
 
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golfballs said:
Red dot? Prism? Low Powered Variable? Want relatively quickly target acquisition but would be nice to have the flexibility to have some slight magnification. Maybe a fixed 3x prism? Or is this a case where I should have different optics depending on the specific situation I’m shooting in? I already have a 2.5-8x Leopold on my hunting rifle
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I have an Aimpoint PRO on my HD rifle. For anything out to 100 yards (and probably beyond) it's all you will need. I have a Vortex Strikefire 3X on my backup rifle, and I like it as well. Having shot both, for a home defemse rifle, and anything out to 100 yards, I'd go with a good red dot.

JMO.
 
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golfballs said:
Red dot? Prism? Low Powered Variable? Want relatively quickly target acquisition but would be nice to have the flexibility to have some slight magnification. Maybe a fixed 3x prism? Or is this a case where I should have different optics depending on the specific situation I’m shooting in? I already have a 2.5-8x Leopold on my hunting rifle
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What’s the budget?
How will the rifle be used?
Any shooting at distance? 300, 400, 500 yards?
 
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Anyone every used one of those self adjusting scopes, like the Swarovski? I'm not in the market. Just curious. There was a high end outfitter that closed down in Nashville recently and they liquidated the inventory through an auction. I saw a few of these optiks in the auction catalog and got curious.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I didn't. When I was debating "SBR -vs- AR pistol" I called an ATF agent I know professionally. He hooked me up with a "gunner" out of the Savannah, GA office, and I probably spent the better part of an hour talking pros and cons with him. By the time I hung up, I knew exactly what I wanted, and the best way to go about getting it.

Yeah, there are some jerks out there, but there are also some folks...just like us, by the way...who will go out of their way to keep you inside the lines.
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So what did he say?
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
People call the ATF with questions?
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I called them before to get clarification on how a bare M-1 receiver is treated. At the time I had a C&R license and Garands are C&R eligible. One guy said they were fine to be shipped to my address. Another said a receiver can’t be eligible for C&R “because you could make anything with it”. Not sure what else you could build out of a Garand receiver besides a Garand. Also there are loads of sporterized 1903’s floating around and they’re all C&R eligible even though they’re nothing like their factory configuration. So here’s two people that work at the same place and one says it’s ok and one says it’s a felony. C&R’s have become almost worthless because many FFL’s won’t ship to one due to the grey areas the ATF throws up about many issues. I let mine lapse because it simply wasn’t worth the hassle.
 
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C-south said:
So what did he say?
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Unfortunately, our conversation was "off the record"...and let me be clear that in no way did he hint, suggest, or recommend that I risk violating federal law...but at the end the consensus was that if I intended to carry this firearm as a duty gun (which my Sheriff allows if it meets agency specs, and you qualify with it), then my best option was to eat the $200 tax and get an SBR.

With regard to DO's post, I can see that happening as well. If you ask me and another deputy about "speed enforcement", you might get two different answers. The law is the law, but while some might (and do) draw the line at 11 over, I myself don't even look at you until you're 15 over. So I can see that happening. The difference here is that the guy I talked to seemed to know the law chapter and verse. Super smart, and very common-sense. Then too, unlike speed enforcement, there is no "wiggle room" when it comes to federal laws on firearms. It's admittedly different when talking about the two.

For me, the best option was to go the SBR route, but remember that I was about to buy the Springfield Saint Victor. Either one would have worked for me, but the SBR was the better option, given my needs.

We (my shop at work) have been talking internally quite a bit these past couple of weeks about where the ATF "is" on SBR's -vs- AR pistols, and where they are going based on recent events. Every one of us own at least one AR, and a few of us own AR pistols. I believe I am the only one with an SBR. We all agree that there is, or soon will be, an effort to address the issue of AR pistols in the near future. What that effort consists of remains to be seen, and remains a subject of debate. If I wanted to stay above the clouds on this one, I'd go the SBR route, even if it meant buying the AR pistol and then doing a Form 4 on it. Let the ATF send you a letter saying that, by their standards, your Springfield Saint shorty is not an SBR. Nice to have that in your pocket if they change their mind down the road.

My $.02. Keep Safe out there...
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Unfortunately, our conversation was "off the record"...and let me be clear that in no way did he hint, suggest, or recommend that I risk violating federal law...but at the end the consensus was that if I intended to carry this firearm as a duty gun (which my Sheriff allows if it meets agency specs, and you qualify with it), then my best option was to eat the $200 tax and get an SBR.

With regard to DO's post, I can see that happening as well. If you ask me and another deputy about "speed enforcement", you might get two different answers. The law is the law, but while some might (and do) draw the line at 11 over, I myself don't even look at you until you're 15 over. So I can see that happening. The difference here is that the guy I talked to seemed to know the law chapter and verse. Super smart, and very common-sense. Then too, unlike speed enforcement, there is no "wiggle room" when it comes to federal laws on firearms. It's admittedly different when talking about the two.

For me, the best option was to go the SBR route, but remember that I was about to buy the Springfield Saint Victor. Either one would have worked for me, but the SBR was the better option, given my needs.

We (my shop at work) have been talking internally quite a bit these past couple of weeks about where the ATF "is" on SBR's -vs- AR pistols, and where they are going based on recent events. Every one of us own at least one AR, and a few of us own AR pistols. I believe I am the only one with an SBR. We all agree that there is, or soon will be, an effort to address the issue of AR pistols in the near future. What that effort consists of remains to be seen, and remains a subject of debate. If I wanted to stay above the clouds on this one, I'd go the SBR route, even if it meant buying the AR pistol and then doing a Form 4 on it. Let the ATF send you a letter saying that, by their standards, your Springfield Saint shorty is not an SBR. Nice to have that in your pocket if they change their mind down the road.

My $.02. Keep Safe out there...
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I think that's the big issue for a lot of people who bought ARPs and AKPs is that in a a lot of states you can carry any pistol in condition 1 in your car without a permit, and on your person with a permit. In TN, there is no circumstance I am aware of other than hunting where a non-military/police citizen can carry a rifle in condition 1 in public. Then you have the whole issue of people having to move for work and such and the hassle factor of moving a SBR across state lines. None of this really matters to me but I can see how some folks would be upset. I imagine they would not be considering tax-free registration if they were not concerned that a federal court might make them grandfather-in any existing braced firearms
 
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golfballs said:
150 yards max. But mostly 100 or less.
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Budget tends to be the biggest obstacle. At those ranges, a good Red Dot would be fine. But if you want magnification at a good price with good quality and without the crazy fish eye:

Primary Arms SLx 1-6x24mm FFP Rifle Scope - Illuminated ACSS-RAPTOR-5.56/.308

Primary Arms SLx 1-8x24FFP Rifle Scope - Illuminated ACSS-RAPTOR-5.56/5.45/.308

I've got one of their older 1-6 on my AR-10 carbine. It works well for what I use it for.

Otherwise, price isn't a consideration, I'd suggest Aimpoint, Trijicon and EOTech depending on your preferences. I'm partial to EOTech, but that's just me.

EOTech EXPS2-0 Holographic Weapon Sight

Trijicon MRO2 MOA Red Dot - No Mount

Aimpoint Micro T-2 Red Dot Sight with Standard Mount - 2 MOA

Within a 100 yards, you really don't "need" magnification. However, outside of that, it's nice to have.
 
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One thing to remember with the magnified optics is weight. Those PA scopes aren't light, but they are manageable so long as you don't go crazy with the other accessories.

There's honestly three levels of AR in the world in my opinion:

Soda can plinker - used for weekend shooting and general blasting. Can also be used for a "test bed" if you start tinkering and testing new items.

Home defense/fighting carbine - as stated, for HD or fighting purposes. You want better quality for this system as well as additional accessories like a sling, white light, low powered optic, better trigger, etc. This is your "SHTF" rifle you grab and know it's going to work.

Target rifle - just as the name implies, you want to accessorize this one with precision in mind. Generally a tad heavy for "fighting" use depending on the setup, this one you spend a lot of coin on depending on how accurate you want or need it to be.
 
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