The Official #6 Tennessee vs. Missouri Game Thread, 6:00 PM ET, SEC Network

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KTrain said:
I noticed SV when they were interviewing him, he has dark circles under his eyes could be an allergy, but my grandma used to say you're rundown those dark circles under your eye's dead giveaway. He has probably logged more miles than any player in the nation.
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Dang, then I've been run down for 20 years and didn't even know it
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Their three point average jumped 18% against us with a high percentage of those shots being guarded. It was a highly anomalous performance, and they still needed a half court shot at the buzzer to win. None of those observations are subjective. They’re a good offensive team. They also hit an absurd number of circus shots, including two banked threes and a buzzer heave. I don’t think listing those oddities are “acting” like anything.
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Missouri has shot over 40% from 3 in 12 of their 25 games this season. With a new coach it stands to reason there should be some improvement in their system as the year goes on, which could explain why they have shot at least 46% from 3 in 5 of the last 6 games.

We do this every time there is a loss. We try and act like it’s not us and that it was the refs or the other team was extremely lucky.

Did they hit some improbable shots? Absolutely. But good offensive teams tend to have that happen and Missouri easily qualifies as such.

If you had paid attention to the way both teams had been trending going into this game then the result and underlying offensive numbers for Missouri aren’t that surprising. That’s all I’m saying.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Missouri has shot over 40% from 3 in 12 of their 25 games this season. With a new coach it stands to reason there should be some improvement in their system as the year goes on, which could explain why they have shot at least 46% from 3 in 5 of the last 6 games.

We do this every time there is a loss. We try and act like it’s not us and that it was the refs or the other team was extremely lucky.

Did they hit some improbable shots? Absolutely. But good offensive teams tend to have that happen and Missouri easily qualifies as such.

If you had paid attention to the way both teams had been trending going into this game then the result and underlying offensive numbers for Missouri aren’t that surprising. That’s all I’m saying.
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Again, I haven’t heard anyone “acting like“ anything. When a team shoots 54% from three against the number one defense in the country and hits a few guarded horse shots along the way, it’s an outlier. Nothing you’re saying refutes that. We made some critical mistakes against a good offensive team. That good offensive team also shot nonsensically well given the circumstances.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Missouri has shot over 40% from 3 in 12 of their 25 games this season. With a new coach it stands to reason there should be some improvement in their system as the year goes on, which could explain why they have shot at least 46% from 3 in 5 of the last 6 games.

We do this every time there is a loss. We try and act like it’s not us and that it was the refs or the other team was extremely lucky.

Did they hit some improbable shots? Absolutely. But good offensive teams tend to have that happen and Missouri easily qualifies as such.

If you had paid attention to the way both teams had been trending going into this game then the result and underlying offensive numbers for Missouri aren’t that surprising. That’s all I’m saying.
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I’m willing to wager Missouri does hit 14+ threes on 53%+ again this season.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I’m willing to wager Missouri does hit 14+ threes on 53%+ again this season.
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I'd also wager we don't shoot 40+ percent from 3 while also getting 33 attempts from the FT line in the same game either.

We can play this game all day long but it doesn't matter. We lost and we will lose a lot of games where it becomes an offensive minded game. We aren't built to win that way and Missouri is.

If before the game you had told me Missouri would score 86 points, most on here would have predicted a loss. If you had also told me before the game that we would score 85, most on here would have predicted a win.

Give Missouri credit for the win, give us credit for a great 2nd half comeback that came up short, and lets move on. Going to find out a lot about this bunch on Wednesday.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
You mean their fans aren’t making a bunch of threads about how much they suck and their season is doomed!?
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It’s basketball upsets happen all the time. It’s unfortunate ours is back to back on buzzer beaters. We make FTs and we’re sitting at 21-4. I think we will be fine
 
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Vols8086 said:
I'd also wager we don't shoot 40+ percent from 3 while also getting 33 attempts from the FT line in the same game either.

We can play this game all day long but it doesn't matter. We lost and we will lose a lot of games where it becomes an offensive minded game. We aren't built to win that way and Missouri is.

If before the game you had told me Missouri would score 86 points, most on here would have predicted a loss. If you had also told me before the game that we would score 85, most on here would have predicted a win.

Give Missouri credit for the win, give us credit for a great 2nd half comeback that came up short, and lets move on. Going to find out a lot about this bunch on Wednesday.
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We’ve actually done that already this year, Missouri has not.
 
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Did we call the timeout prior to Santi's free throws?

Or, was that a review timeout?

Either way, just Rick had used a timeout (if we had one???) after our freshman committed the lane violation.

Backseat driving.

I was at the game and thought Rick called the timeout pre-free throws. At the time, I thought it was strange but probably wouldn't make any difference.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Did we call the timeout prior to Santi's free throws?

Or, was that a review timeout?

Either way, just Rick had used a timeout (if we had one???) after our freshman committed the lane violation.

Backseat driving.

I was at the game and thought Rick called the timeout pre-free throws. At the time, I thought it was strange but probably wouldn't make any difference.
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I think there might have been an official’s review of the foul of Santi. Hook and hold looked at. I was worried that the refs were going to change it to a foul on Santi.

Barnes had one time out left and didn’t use it. Could have called it after the lane violation to set up a defense, but Mizz did not have one to set up their offense. Calculated risk that didn’t work out. Slowing down the Mizz drive just one second could have been the difference.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I think there might have been an official’s review of the foul of Santi. Hook and hold looked at. I was worried that the refs were going to change it to a foul on Santi.

Barnes had one time out left and didn’t use it. Could have called it after the lane violation to set up a defense, but Mizz did not have one to set up their offense. Calculated risk that didn’t work out. Slowing down the Mizz drive just one second could have been the difference.
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Yeah. I was up in the nosebleed area, but we had two guys with him...and it had to be at least a 26-28 footer.

Good point on the timeout allowing them to draw up a play. I would rather take our chances with what went down.
 
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Vols8086 said:
Lol at trying to use Florida Gulf Coast as a predictive measure of our offense.

If you think it happens again please name your terms sir. I’ll take the under.
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That’s how much of an outlier Missouri was, we at least could accomplish it against a team like FGCU, Missouri could not…it further proved just how much of an outlier their shooting performance was.
 
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tombowalker said:
Sorry man, but this is just emotional nonsense.

You don't even have to be an analytics nerd for this one. Forcing the half-court shot gives them the best chance of winning. And it's not particularly close.
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You have a poor understanding of sports. By your logic, any football team ever faced with defending a Hail Mary wouldn’t even bother - they would just defend against the possibility of a short pass-lateral play because that pass is easier to complete. Why do they put most of their defenders on the goal line? Because that play possibility is the one most likely to beat them, even though it has a low probability of success.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
You have a poor understanding of sports. By your logic, any football team ever faced with defending a Hail Mary wouldn’t even bother - they would just defend against the possibility of a short pass-lateral play because that pass is easier to complete. Why do they put most of their defenders on the goal line? Because that play possibility is the one most likely to beat them, even though it has a low probability of success.
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I thought your last post was as ignorant as it gets, but then you post this.

It's also just a dumb analogy....but let's play it out.

Which situation would you prefer?

Overtime vs.... defending a long-shot Hail Mary?

Anyone with a brain (or a basic understanding of statistics) would prefer defending a Hail Mary instead of going into overtime..... and that's exactly what Barnes did against Missouri.

We forced a low percentage shot, and they happened to make it.

But that doesn't mean it was a bad decision.
 
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Yawn.

1. Any evidence a lateral has a higher percentage of winning games?

2. It's irrelevant anyway because this analogy is dumb.

3. If you think overtime is preferable over forcing a half-court shot, I'm not sure what else to tell you. Your argument is absolute nonsense.
 
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