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I knew all year Caldwell was going to do something so utterly stupid that it would cost the Lions a win...he finally did it by not going for it on fourth and one.

Here's the other thing: Why call that play on third and one if you don't plan on going for it??? Put two TE's/FB and run for it then.
 
Here's the other thing: Why call that play on third and one if you don't plan on going for it??? Put two TE's/FB and run for it then.

I get what you're saying, but road grader football is a tough proposition in the NFL on short yardage and that was a ton of field position to give up . . . Until the punt went 10 yards.
 
Like I said, I don't see why they threw the flag and I sure don't understand why they picked it up.

Just FTR, here's the exact wording from the rule book...

It is pass interference by either team when any player movement beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders the progress of an eligible player of such player’s opportunity to catch the ball.

Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.

As I saw it, the defender made contact with the receiver (even if it was minimal), and made exactly zero effort to play the ball. I don't see how that's not textbook PI.
 
As I saw it, the defender made contact with the receiver (even if it was minimal), and made exactly zero effort to play the ball. I don't see how that's not textbook PI.

You're right. But that interpretation would yield about 20 PI's per game.
 
I get that. Still, and I think we're on the same page on this, once the flag was actually thrown I don't understand how they talked themselves out of the penalty.

Don't ask me. I've got no idea unless the guy that threw the flag got talked out of it by an official that said it was faceguarding.
 
But face guarding isn't legal ....if you make contact, you have to look for the ball.

Not the way I understand it.

Here's the NFL's section on Pass interference:

Pass Interference

There shall be no interference with a forward pass thrown from behind the line. The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.

The penalty for defensive pass interference is an automatic first down at the spot of the foul. If interference is in the end zone, it is first down for the offense on the defense’s 1-yard line. If previous spot was inside the defense’s 1-yard line, penalty is half the distance to the goal line.

The penalty for offensive pass interference is 10 yards from the previous spot.

It is pass interference by either team when any player movement beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders the progress of an eligible player of such player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched.


--Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.

(b) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(c) Grabbing a receiver’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.

(d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.

(e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball.

(f) Hooking a receiver in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the receiver’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving.


--Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

(b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

(d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

(e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.


--Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

(b) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

(c) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.


--Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.

(b) Inadvertent touching of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

(c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players.

Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

Note 2: Defensive players have as much right to the path of the ball as eligible offensive players.

Note 3: Pass interference for both teams ends when the pass is touched.

Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.

Note 5: Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage, or an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a 5-yard penalty and automatic first down from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.
 
I knew all year Caldwell was going to do something so utterly stupid that it would cost the Lions a win...he finally did it by not going for it on fourth and one.

It's the truth, I couldn't stand him as a coach for the Colts. I'm not a big fan of Pagano eitjer, I almost wish we could have lost and gave Harbaugh a call. He would have passed up Michigan to coach Luck and his old team.

Pagano just hasn't brought a scary Defense like he said he would. He isn't mich better a managin the game like Caldwell. Caldwell was a sissy and terrible at showif any emotions or getting his team hyped
 
Here's the play I was talking about.

Yes I'm bitter
 

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Andrew Brandt @adbrandt Do not see Lions applying Franchise Tag to Suh, would be a striking $27M Cap charge. Will have robust market in free agency.

Part of me says go all in on 2015 for one last shot
 
Don't blame the pick on him. Thought he played well.

Maybe.

He just followed a 17/24 for 191 yards and a TD first half

With a 3/6 for 46 yards and an INT in the third quarter

And an 8/12 for 86 yards and 2 fumbles in the 4th quarter

(So 11/18 for 132 yards, an INT, and 2 fumbles in the second half.)
 
Part of me says go all in on 2015 for one last shot

How's the number that high? Wouldn't this be his first year franchise tagged?

The cost of giving a DT an exclusive tag last year was $9,654,000.

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They may. It's a voidable year. Depends on negotations with Jimmy Sexton, and I can tell you those won't go well for Detroit.

Here's what I found:

While Suh is under contract through 2015, he can void the final year of his deal since he inked it during the previous collective bargaining agreement. Lions president Tom Lewand postponed contract negotiations in July until after the 2014 season.
 
How's the number that high? Wouldn't this be his first year franchise tagged?

The cost of giving a DT an exclusive tag last year was $9,654,000.

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Here's what I found:

Yes but he's making $23M this year under the old rookie deal. He has to make more than he did his previous year.
 

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