The Official ETSU @ Tennessee Game Thread (Tues. 3/18 5PM EDT) (SECNET+)

[LAVol1]

Maybe the young pitchers will learn it doesn't matter if you throw 94 mph. Bringing it over the middle of the plate belt high is a setup for disaster. Locate it all day at the knees and on the corners to win.

And who can throw every pitch at the knees and on the corners?--not even Greg Maddux! I'll also add that when the count includes 3 balls, most coaches direct their pitchers to throw the pitch down the middle because the odds are the batter will make an out if he puts it in play. In the case of the ETSU game, with two outs and the game tied, because the batter was a legit big home run threat, I would have wanted the pitcher to throw a fastball down and away from the batter, not worrying about walking him. I think the pitch thrown was a hanging curveball. Have to blame Vitello or Anderson for that.

 

[VolPack22]

And who can throw every pitch at the knees and on the corners?--not even Greg Maddux! I'll also add that when the count includes 3 balls, most coaches direct their pitchers to throw the pitch down the middle because the odds are the batter will make an out if he puts it in play. In the case of the ETSU game, with two outs and the game tied, because the batter was a legit big home run threat, I would have wanted the pitcher to throw a fastball down and away from the batter, not worrying about walking him. I think the pitch thrown was a hanging curveball. Have to blame Vitello or Anderson for that.

Let’s get one thing straight: Greg Maddux could tell you the exact pitch and location and you still couldn’t do anything about it. Aside from that, everyone knew ETSU was trying to hit ambush home runs the 9th and 10th innings. Pitchers are just going to have to learn you can’t throw any “get me over” pitches nowadays. I highly doubt Frank instructed his pitchers to throw it right down broadway with the game on the line. Pitchers have to execute the pitch called. It’s not Tony’s and Frank’s fault for the pitchers hanging off speed pitches or throwing fastballs right in the smash zone. Hitters are taught to attack and aren’t as conservative as they used to be. They aren’t letting good pitches go by anymore.

 

[LAVol1]

Let’s get one thing straight: Greg Maddux could tell you the exact pitch and location and you still couldn’t do anything about it. Aside from that, everyone knew ETSU was trying to hit ambush home runs the 9th and 10th innings. Pitchers are just going to have to learn you can’t throw any “get me over” pitches nowadays. I highly doubt Frank instructed his pitchers to throw it right down broadway with the game on the line. Pitchers have to execute the pitch called. It’s not Tony’s and Frank’s fault for the pitchers hanging off speed pitches or throwing fastballs right in the smash zone. Hitters are taught to attack and aren’t as conservative as they used to be. They aren’t letting good pitches go by anymore.

Let's get another thing straight. Greg Maddux was 11-14 in the postseason with a pedestrian 3.28 ERA and he gave up 358 HR in his career, so no, he couldn't tell a batter what pitch he was throwing and the location and still be successful. The most accurate pitcher of modern times failed to make the pitch he wanted to make a lot. Even Maddux hung curve balls in critical situations. Why do you think college pitchers are capable of throwing every pitch where they want to throw it? Furthermore, the best hitters guess what pitch is coming, and if the pitcher throws that pitch, they probably have less than a 50% chance of getting a hit.

 

[chuckiepoo]

 

[knoxvol52]

To hell with Greg Maddux. That solves that discussion.

 

[VolPack22]

Let's get another thing straight. Greg Maddux was 11-14 in the postseason with a pedestrian 3.28 ERA and he gave up 358 HR in his career, so no, he couldn't tell a batter what pitch he was throwing and the location and still be successful. The most accurate pitcher of modern times failed to make the pitch he wanted to make a lot. Even Maddux hung curve balls in critical situations. Why do you think college pitchers are capable of throwing every pitch where they want to throw it? Furthermore, the best hitters guess what pitch is coming, and if the pitcher throws that pitch, they probably have less than a 50% chance of getting a hit.

Go back and look up how many unearned runs his teams had and there would be a lot more postseason wins. And a 3.28 ERA is not pedestrian

So I guess the following pitchers are pedestrian to you that have similar CAREER ERA’s to what Maddux’s postseason ERA was:

Justin Verlander
Max Scherzer
Gerrit Cole
Blake Snell
Nolan Ryan
Johan Santana
Stephen Strasburg
Catfish Hunter
Don Sutton
Vida Blue
Randy Johnson
David Price
John Smoltz
Phil Niekro

And that’s just a few names. GTFO loser

 

[VolPack22]

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I just ended the discussion with the mic drop. We can all move onto to our regularly scheduled program.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I just ended the discussion with the mic drop. We can all move onto to our regularly scheduled program.

Mess with the bull, get the horn.

 

[MAD]

Mess with the bull, get the horn.

I thank God VP22 is one of us. Always comes through when necessary.

 

[VolPack22]

Mess with the bull, get the horn.

I thank God VP22 is one of us. Always comes through when necessary.

God forbid a pitcher’s ERA increases from his regular season career of 3.16 to 3.28 in the postseason. What a HUGE difference that is lol. Some people should refrain from speaking on baseball since they know very little about. By definition, a pedestrian ERA would fall in the range of 4.00-5.00, which is what the average MLB ERA falls in between most years. And since we want to bring up HR, yeah he gave up 353 of them but that’s spread out over 23 years. He had separate seasons of giving up 4, 7, 8, and 9, all while pitching over 200 innings in each of those seasons, sometimes over 250 innings. Yeah that’s pretty damn exceptional if you ask even the most savvy of baseball fans. If you want to throw shade at Greg Maddux then you really just don’t know about baseball.

 

[chuckiepoo]

God forbid a pitcher’s ERA increases from his regular season career of 3.16 to 3.28 in the postseason. What a HUGE difference that is lol. Some people should refrain from speaking on baseball since they know very little about. By definition, a pedestrian ERA would fall in the range of 4.00-5.00, which is what the average MLB ERA falls in between most years. And since we want to bring up HR, yeah he gave up 353 of them but that’s spread out over 23 years. He had separate seasons of giving up 4, 7, 8, and 9, all while pitching over 200 innings in each of those seasons, sometimes over 250 innings. Yeah that’s pretty damn exceptional if you ask even the most savvy of baseball fans. If you want to throw shade at Greg Maddux then you really just don’t know about baseball.

Poor dude didn’t realize he we poking the guy that ran “Today in baseball History” for three years.

 

[MAD]

Poor dude didn’t realize he we poking the guy that ran “Today in baseball History” for three years.

And he never forgets.
It’s been 3 years since UK played and he will keep reminding them forever.

 

[VolPack22]

And he never forgets.
It’s been 3 years since UK played and he will keep reminding them forever.

Tomorrow they will get beaten by some condoms.

 

[LAVol1]

Go back and look up how many unearned runs his teams had and there would be a lot more postseason wins. And a 3.28 ERA is not pedestrian

So I guess the following pitchers are pedestrian to you that have similar CAREER ERA’s to what Maddux’s postseason ERA was:

Justin Verlander
Max Scherzer
Gerrit Cole
Blake Snell
Nolan Ryan
Johan Santana
Stephen Strasburg
Catfish Hunter
Don Sutton
Vida Blue
Randy Johnson
David Price
John Smoltz
Phil Niekro

And that’s just a few names. GTFO loser

Are you always rude and insulting when you debate an issue?

Just a few postseason ERAs significantly lower than Maddux:
Garrett Cole 2.77
John Smoltz 2.67
Bob Gibson 1.89
Strasburg 1.46
Mike Scott 0.50
Don Drysdale 2.95
Koufax 0.95
Whitey Ford 2.71
Blyleven 2.47
Baumgarner 2.15
Schilling 2.23
Dave Stewart 2.84

 

[VolPack22]

Are you always rude and insulting when you debate an issue?

Just a few postseason ERAs significantly lower than Maddux:
Garrett Cole 2.77
John Smoltz 2.67
Bob Gibson 1.89
Strasburg 1.46
Mike Scott 0.50
Don Drysdale 2.95
Koufax 0.95
Whitey Ford 2.71
Blyleven 2.47
Baumgarner 2.15
Schilling 2.23
Dave Stewart 2.84

And Jon Lester had a 3.66 regular season ERA but a 2.51 ERA in the postseason. There will always be someone to make an argument one way or the other. Literally every single player on that list was an elite pitcher in their own right so idk what your point is. You are trying to diminish what Maddux did for nearly a quarter century even though his ERA stayed relatively the same from regular season to postseason. My statement remains the same: if you think a 3.28 ERA in the postseason is “pedestrian” then you are either smoking crack or you just don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[VolPack22]

Poor dude didn’t realize he we poking the guy that ran “Today in baseball History” for three years.

Don’t make dumbass comments if you don’t want to get called out for them

Just to compare, Andy Pettite has the most all-time innings pitched in the postseason and his team only allowed 4 unearned runs in those 276 innings! Tom Glavine (11) and Greg Maddux (25) combined have 36 unearned runs credited to them. Two of the most unlucky postseason pitchers of all-time because of piss poor defense and we want to act like that isn’t going to affect their postseason statistics. Dude can GTFO here.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Don’t make dumbass comments if you don’t want to get called out for them

Just to compare, Andy Pettite has the most all-time innings pitched in the postseason and his team only allowed 4 unearned runs in those 276 innings! Tom Glavine (11) and Greg Maddux (25) combined have 36 unearned runs credited to them. Two of the most unlucky postseason pitchers of all-time because of piss poor defense and we want to act like that isn’t going to affect their postseason statistics. Dude can GTFO here.

Mike Scott was pretty damn good, but to reference his playoff ERA of 0.050 is a prime example of small sample size abuse of statistics.

 

[VolPack22]

Mike Scott was pretty damn good, but to reference his playoff ERA of 0.050 is a prime example of small sample size abuse of statistics.

Jeremy Affeldt has a 0.86 ERA in the postseason and won 3 World Series. I guess that makes him one of the best pitchers of all-time?

 

[chuckiepoo]

Jeremy Affeldt has a 0.86 ERA in the postseason and won 3 World Series. I guess that makes him one of the best pitchers of all-time?

Right? It’s hard to compare post season ERAs to those accrued in the regular season. A fool’s errand.

 

[VolPack22]

Right? It’s hard to compare post season ERAs to those accrued in the regular season. A fool’s errand.

Not to mention, if you are only giving up 3 earned runs every 9 innings then that should be enough to win you a ball game. Show me all the pitchers that have done that over a 23 year career. Oh and let’s not forget Maddux had BACK TO BACK sub-1.70 ERA seasons during a 7 year stretch from 1992-1998 where he was practically unhittable. Dude is acting like Maddux was just your run of the mill pitcher

 

[LAVol1]

And Jon Lester had a 3.66 regular season ERA but a 2.51 ERA in the postseason. There will always be someone to make an argument one way or the other. Literally every single player on that list was an elite pitcher in their own right so idk what your point is. You are trying to diminish what Maddux did for nearly a quarter century even though his ERA stayed relatively the same from regular season to postseason. My statement remains the same: if you think a 3.28 ERA in the postseason is “pedestrian” then you are either smoking crack or you just don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about and you're criticizing Frank Anderson, maybe the best pitching coach in college baseball. BTW, the Vols have by far the lowest ERA in the SEC.

 

[JacketVol]

Are you always rude and insulting when you debate an issue?

Just a few postseason ERAs significantly lower than Maddux:
Garrett Cole 2.77
John Smoltz 2.67
Bob Gibson 1.89
Strasburg 1.46
Mike Scott 0.50
Don Drysdale 2.95
Koufax 0.95
Whitey Ford 2.71
Blyleven 2.47
Baumgarner 2.15
Schilling 2.23
Dave Stewart 2.84

Some of these guys pitched a lot in the 60's and before the mound was lowered. You just can't try to cross so many eras. Plus anyone pitching in the steroid era also had a more challenging path.