The Official Jon Huntsman for President Thread

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Leave social issues up to the states - if not further down the line than that. I don't want a President who wants to legislate his social views. All I care about in a President is that he can get the economy rolling.
 
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nbakerld said:
One thing I do like about Huntsman is he doesn't strike me as a moral authoritarian, which distinguishes him from the other R candidates, except RP and Johnson (maybe Cain, too).

Since we are discussing what in the hell "family values" means, I thought this was appropriate:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L_FK2TwHdM&feature=plcp&context=C300cbf6UDOEgsToPDskJx_6LdNUfgfdiAJYctd6Xo[/youtube]
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I saw Cain as more of a moral authoritarian than Romney. Romney is straight-laced but I don't find that preaching morals/morality is much of his schtick.

Santorum does it enough for everyone and ironically Newt does too.
 
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fwiw, I had an expert witness in a case who is a highly placed official in Utah law enforcement community (I will not say who). He knows the man very well and remarked to me that he was the real deal. Genuine and just flat out a good guy.
 
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volinbham said:
I saw Cain as more of a moral authoritarian than Romney. Romney is straight-laced but I don't find that preaching morals/morality is much of his schtick.

Santorum does it enough for everyone and ironically Newt does too.
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My worry with Romney is that he will just pander to his constituents, and there is a large group of influential R's who push for legislating morality. I couldn't get a good read on Cain. He'd say abortion is their choice and in the next breath he'd say he's against it. That's very worrisome, but all I was saying is that I didn't really know where he stood on social issues.
 
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golfballs03 said:
Leave social issues up to the states - if not further down the line than that. I don't want a President who wants to legislate his social views. All I care about in a President is that he can get the economy rolling.
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Can you name any President recently who has "forced" his social views on the country?
 
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nbakerld said:
My worry with Romney is that he will just pander to his constituents, and there is a large group of influential R's who push for legislating morality. I couldn't get a good read on Cain. He'd say abortion is their choice and in the next breath he'd say he's against it. That's very worrisome, but all I was saying is that I didn't really know where he stood on social issues.
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Isn't Paul very pro-life?
 
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Your right that it was on the state level. But, as far as I know - those bills didnt make it through - which, in my opinion, shows that Perry was trying legislate his own views.

And I'm not really willing to give Perry the chance at federal to see what he would do.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Your right that it was on the state level. But, as far as I know - those bills didnt make it through - which, in my opinion, shows that Perry was trying legislate his own views.

And I'm not really willing to give Perry the chance at federal to see what he would do.
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First of all I doubt any legislation he pushed was anti-gay, it might have been anti-gay marriage but not anti-gay.

And just to be clear, when RP says he wants a social issue decided on the state level, that's ok but when (if) Perry tries pushing through a social issue at a state level, he is trying to push his beliefs on everyone?
 
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volfanjustin said:
First of all I doubt any legislation he pushed was anti-gay, it might have been anti-gay marriage but not anti-gay.

And just to be clear, when RP says he wants a social issue decided on the state level, that's ok but when (if) Perry tries pushing through a social issue at a state level, he is trying to push his beliefs on everyone?
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Perry didn't allow the state to decide since he did it himself. Not to mention the little issue with the money from the vaccine's manuf.

There's a difference between allowing the state's people to decide and an executive order
 
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utvolpj said:
Perry didn't allow the state to decide since he did it himself. Not to mention the little issue with the money from the vaccine's manuf.

There's a difference between allowing the state's people to decide and an executive order
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Yeah I think the issue is it wasn't contained in a referendum for the people of the state to vote on.

What Paul believes is that powers not granted to the Federal Gov't should be left to the States to decide (basically what the constitution says).
 
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utvolpj said:
Perry didn't allow the state to decide since he did it himself. Not to mention the little issue with the money from the vaccine's manuf.

There's a difference between allowing the state's people to decide and an executive order
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On what anti-gay issue did Perry put through an executive order? Seems to be a bit of a double standard around here.
 
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utvolpj said:
it wasn't a gay issue but a social one like you mentioned in the post I quoted
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First of all let me say I will not be supporting Perry for the nomination, but what's the fear, as President he would push through executive orders on social issues?
 
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volfanjustin said:
First of all let me say I will not be supporting Perry for the nomination, but what's the fear, as President he would push through executive orders on social issues?
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does that not show he doesn't have a problem with it?
 
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utvolpj said:
does that not show he doesn't have a problem with it?
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Understood. So why is this a problem but when Obama issues an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions "not pushing his beliefs on everyone"?
 
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