The Official Obama HealthCare Summit Thread

HealthCare is a business and people are in the business of making money. When the money goes away so will the best doctors, nurses, hospitals, etc.. You get what you pay for and its no different with healthcare.

Anyone for some pre-civil war medicine?

By the way, a lot of the money these "heartless" medical companies are making goes to research. Without research, no new cures or treatment methods.

Cant get everything for free!!

Reality sucks ,doesnt it?
 
I agree that the Congress is incredibly wasteful.

I do not agree that such waste justifies wasting more.

Did you watch it? I watched parts, plus the news shows. FOX had a "bipartisan" focus group that emphasized that Obama seemed to be condescending, lol.

All other networks and commentators expressed dismay that the Republicans came in with rehearsed sound bite one-liners.

It is clear that wholly owned subsidiary of the insurance industry that is the GOP will allow nothing substantive to pass, even if they agree with it. Their masters have gotten their money's worth out of this bunch, that's for sure.
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If I ever need a lawyer, how about you give your services to me for free, since I am afforded the right to an attorney by the Constitution.

Or better yet, I will decide that you dont need to be paid $150 an hour and drive a Mercedes and live in a 7 bedroom house. So I will protest and have Congress pass a bill guaranteeing every American the right to any attorney for any matter, not just a public defender for criminal issues. And then they set the price that you can charge and how many clients you can have.

How many of you lawyers would go for that?
 
If I ever need a lawyer, how about you give your services to me for free, since I am afforded the right to an attorney by the Constitution.

Or better yet, I will decide that you dont need to be paid $150 an hour and drive a Mercedes and live in a 7 bedroom house. So I will protest and have Congress pass a bill guaranteeing every American the right to any attorney for any matter, not just a public defender for criminal issues. And then they set the price that you can charge and how many clients you can have.

How many of you lawyers would go for that?

Actually, if you can't afford one, the court does appoint one to you.

So fail.
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Actually, if you can't afford one, the court does appoint one to you.

So fail.
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Only in criminal matters. I am talking about civil litigations as well.

It is extremely rare for an attorney to be appointed by the court concerning a civil case
 
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Actually, if you can't afford one, the court does appoint one to you.

So fail.
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1. In any healthcare system, people who make $150 an hour and drive Mercedes will be able to have any health care they want, just as now. The focus is for people who cannot afford it.

2. if our current system works so well, why is our cost per person almost twice as much as the second most expensive country? Also why do our health outcomes such as lifespan or infant mortality rank 29th in the world, just ahead of Cuba?

3.Why is it that when Democrats propose a trillion dollar healthcare overhaul over 10 years it's socialism, but when we put the taxpayer on the hook for $14 trillion in loans and guarantees to Citi, Goldman et. al. it's capitolism?
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1. In any healthcare system, people who make $150 an hour and drive Mercedes will be able to have any health care they want, just as now. The focus is for people who cannot afford it.

2. if our current system works so well, why is our cost per person almost twice as much as the second most expensive country? Also why do our health outcomes such as lifespan or infant mortality rank 29th in the world, just ahead of Cuba?

3.Why is it that when Democrats propose a trillion dollar healthcare overhaul over 10 years it's socialism, but when we put the taxpayer on the hook for $14 trillion in loans and guarantees to Citi, Goldman et. al. it's capitolism?
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Why is it you just spouted Rachel Maddow's talking points at us?
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1. In any healthcare system, people who make $150 an hour and drive Mercedes will be able to have any health care they want, just as now. The focus is for people who cannot afford it.

Medicaid is available for low income individuals. If you think Medicaid isn't expansive enough, we could expand it and reach the results you seem to advocate rather than enact various policies that have disastrous long-term cost implications. A better solution would be (1) more consumer driven care; (2) subsidies to those who legitimately could not obtain care with an HSA and high deductible plan; (3) tort reform; and (4) an insurance exchange without community rating restrictions or minimum coverage requirements

2. if our current system works so well, why is our cost per person almost twice as much as the second most expensive country? Also why do our health outcomes such as lifespan or infant mortality rank 29th in the world, just ahead of Cuba?

That is a common misconception due mainly to misleading statistics. Our health outcomes, when adjusted to reflect health care (i.e., taking out other issues such as murder, obesity, etc.) is actually extremely good. In fact, when adjusted for these factors, US healthcare ranks among the best in the world. For an example of what I am talking about, see Greg Mankiw's Blog: Where would you rather be sick?

3.Why is it that when Democrats propose a trillion dollar healthcare overhaul over 10 years it's socialism, but when we put the taxpayer on the hook for $14 trillion in loans and guarantees to Citi, Goldman et. al. it's capitolism?

I am not defending either of the parties, so I choose not to address this issue.
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See bolded above.
 
Did you watch it? I watched parts, plus the news shows. FOX had a "bipartisan" focus group that emphasized that Obama seemed to be condescending, lol.

All other networks and commentators expressed dismay that the Republicans came in with rehearsed sound bite one-liners.

I'm sure you assessment is entirely accurate. :crazy:
 
While disagreements remain, the meeting uncovered considerable areas of overlap, including many Republican ideas that were already in the President's proposal. And with all the best ideas now on the table, the President made it clear that no excuses remain: Congress must put aside partisan divides and swiftly complete a final bill.
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what a farce - it was clear this was the Dem strategy; say it's already in there while obfuscating the real core differences in "how" to solve the problem.

Political theater.
 
The news in Florida:

Blue Cross of Florida Asks For Up to 14%Rate Increase


Published: Thursday, February 25, 2010 at 11:54 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, February 25, 2010 at 11:54 p.m.
tallahassee |

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida wants to boost its rates on health policies for individuals and small businesses by more than 14 percent in some cases.

The health insurer has filed three rate requests with the Office of Insurance Regulation in the past month. It wants an 11.2 percent increase for individuals who pay preferred-provider organization policies while small-group plans would be increased by at least 14 percent.

The increases are necessary because of soaring medical costs, said Blue Cross Vice President Randy Kammer. She said the millions of uninsured people in Florida have left unpaid bills that forces hospitals and other health care providers to shift costs to private health plans.





This is why we are screwed. Costs go higher, premiums go up. As premiums go up, businesses cut health insursance. As they cut, less people are paying for their health care, causing the amount charged off to go up, resulting in higher premiums. And on and on it goes....

At some point, there is going to be one guy left with the tab.

For the life of me I can't see why you support the Dem bill. Given your core issue of costs you should be opposed to the Dem approach which does nothing of substance to address true cost drivers. If anything, it raises costs and locks us into a new growing cost structure.
 
1. In any healthcare system, people who make $150 an hour and drive Mercedes will be able to have any health care they want, just as now. The focus is for people who cannot afford it.

2. if our current system works so well, why is our cost per person almost twice as much as the second most expensive country? Also why do our health outcomes such as lifespan or infant mortality rank 29th in the world, just ahead of Cuba?

3.Why is it that when Democrats propose a trillion dollar healthcare overhaul over 10 years it's socialism, but when we put the taxpayer on the hook for $14 trillion in loans and guarantees to Citi, Goldman et. al. it's capitolism?
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So you're happy with the government telling you what you can and cannot buy??? Where are articles in the constitution that set up mandates for people to make purchases from the government? Try looking there for socialism.
 
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Did you watch it? I watched parts, plus the news shows. FOX had a "bipartisan" focus group that emphasized that Obama seemed to be condescending, lol.

All other networks and commentators expressed dismay that the Republicans came in with rehearsed sound bite one-liners.

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precisely why the news shows should do just that.....report the news, not give us their opinions.
 
Latest phrase from the Dems......."Health Discrimination"

They know that they are getting thier butts kicked on this and are now playing the "rights" card in a new way.
 
Latest phrase from the Dems......."Health Discrimination"

They know that they are getting thier butts kicked on this and are now playing the "rights" card in a new way.


Sad, just sad. It's the last, desperate shots of adherents to a dying cause.
 

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