The Official Tennessee Titans thread IV

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yabadabadolnavy said:
Titans need to lose instead they will somehow win
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The Titans brigade were able to rely on the purple Vikings to accomplish it.

1 Vikings fan showed huge respect and admiration toward me because I was representing proudly as a loyal Titans fan during a terrible season.
I was the lone Titans fan sitting at a rectangular table so hard to not notice.

I’m pretty happy that the Vols football team are having a great season because the Titans have been in pitch darkness for most of this terrible season with the best thing being Titans management we’re proactive to get rebuilding started before the 2024 NFL regular season ends.
Also, I was very happy seeing the Titans defeat a rebuilding Patriots team in a thrilling competitive game which currently is the Titans only home victory this season.
 
#47,083
#47,083
Best case scenario seems to be unfolding. Levis looking good enough lately for the Titans to pass on a QB this draft while still drafting high (hopefully top 3, if not No. 1 overall).
 
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This is why some of us wanted him in the draft. Generational talent at TE.

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Now, in this draft, who is a potential generational talent at a position of need? That is who this org needs to pick first. It is time to add more building blocks to the roster. Guys that are proven performers with upside and durability in their past. This org typically takes too many flyers and rebuilds.

As Aesius posted, having Levis do just enough gets a year closer to the QB stockpile in '26.
 
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Vols4us said:
This is why some of us wanted him in the draft. Generational talent at TE.

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Now, in this draft, who is a potential generational talent at a position of need? That is who this org needs to pick first. It is time to add more building blocks to the roster. Guys that are proven performers with upside and durability in their past. This org typically takes too many flyers and rebuilds.

As Aesius posted, having Levis do just enough gets a year closer to the QB stockpile in '26.
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Of course, the same things were said about Kyle Pitts, and he was even better than Bowers in college.
 
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Carp said:
Lose by 3 points or less consistently, find some sort of identity/consistency on offense, have the younger players show progression.

I hate losing. I really do. But when you lack as much talent as we do and have no shot at the playoffs, tanking can be a better strategy, imo.
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Tanking to get top draft picks is best because short term pain for long term gain.

I have no desire for the Titans to be similar to the Buffalo Bills before Josh Allen that would play smoothly to win playing for pride games that then resulted in usually no long term changes.
The Titans winning playing for pride games would result in them unable to rebuild much like Hollywood refused for more than 11 years to make faithful well written video game movies for the fans before Hollywood employees that gave a damn about high quality and the source material decided to make a faithful (2018) Tomb Raider reboot movie , and (2020) Sonic The Hedgehog.
 
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firestorm said:
Tanking to get top draft picks is best because short term pain for long term gain.

I have no desire for the Titans to be similar to the Buffalo Bills before Josh Allen that would play smoothly to win playing for pride games that then resulted in usually no long term changes.
The Titans winning playing for pride games would result in them unable to rebuild much like Hollywood refused for more than 11 years to make faithful well written video game movies for the fans before Hollywood employees that gave a damn about high quality and the source material decided to make a faithful (2018) Tomb Raider reboot movie , and (2020) Sonic The Hedgehog.
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LOL that is a pretty niche comparison.

Having said that, I will go a little off topic. I thought Silent Hill was done very well for what it was. Which was a horror film that was more of tribute to the game franchise, rather than a movie directly pulling from the source material of the video game itself. I thought it was a very solid movie with fantastic costume designs for some of the franchises most popular baddies.

Also, the original Tomb Raider with Angelina Jolie was an average Hollywood action movie, which sadly enough makes it one of the better video game movies of all time
 
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Vols4us said:
This is why some of us wanted him in the draft. Generational talent at TE.

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Now, in this draft, who is a potential generational talent at a position of need? That is who this org needs to pick first. It is time to add more building blocks to the roster. Guys that are proven performers with upside and durability in their past. This org typically takes too many flyers and rebuilds.

As Aesius posted, having Levis do just enough gets a year closer to the QB stockpile in '26.
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TEs are a terrible value in the first round. Even a "generational talent" like Bowers.

Most tight ends generally have a pretty high floor. Good (not great) tight ends are increasingly easier to find in the draft or in free agency. Guys like Jonnu, Dalton Kincaid, Goedert, Otton, etc are e pretty easy to find every year. So because good tight ends are increasingly easier to find, if you are drafting a tight end in the first 15 picks, that TE has to have a Travis Kelce type of career in order to be worth that sort of investment. And the chances of that are pretty slim.

And for a team like us that lacks talent everywhere, Bowers would be a waste of a pick. Bowers is the type of pick you make when you have an established QB to take your offense to the next level. Unless the Raiders draft/sign a franchise QB, Bowers isn't going to move the needle for the Raiders no matter how good he is. I guess he'll sell some jerseys though.
 
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I don't see this happening for several reasons. But if the Cowboys do indeed sign Deion to be their next HC and they draft Shadeur, could we end up trading for Dak in June? I find it unlikely the Cowboys would deal him to a team in the NFC and risk seeing him in the playoffs every year. That pretty much leaves the Titans, Colts, and Raiders as the only realistic targets for a Dak trade (Browns have no chance to take on Dak with Watson's contract).

Dak would have to waive his NTC, which means that he chooses where he plays. That's an issue itself because we currently suck and our OL is still a big problem. Combined with Ridley and Pollard as our only offensive weapons worth noting, and it surely paints a grim chance of Dak wanting to play here. But having Tony Pollard in Dak's ear could have some sway. And the Colts suck too with a worse overall roster than ours (imo). Also, playing in the weak AFC South would be much easier to make the playoffs each year than the stacked AFC West with Mahomes and Herbert and an improving Broncos team.
 
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Carp said:
I don't see this happening for several reasons. But if the Cowboys do indeed sign Deion to be their next HC and they draft Shadeur, could we end up trading for Dak in June? I find it unlikely the Cowboys would deal him to a team in the NFC and risk seeing him in the playoffs every year. That pretty much leaves the Titans, Colts, and Raiders as the only realistic targets for a Dak trade (Browns have no chance to take on Dak with Watson's contract).

Dak would have to waive his NTC, which means that he chooses where he plays. That's an issue itself because we currently suck and our OL is still a big problem. Combined with Ridley and Pollard as our only offensive weapons worth noting, and it surely paints a grim chance of Dak wanting to play here. But having Tony Pollard in Dak's ear could have some sway. And the Colts suck too with a worse overall roster than ours (imo). Also, playing in the weak AFC South would be much easier to make the playoffs each year than the stacked AFC West with Mahomes and Herbert and an improving Broncos team.
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They just signed Dak to a $231M guaranteed contract. They can’t take a QB. They would be in dead cap hell for 3 years
 
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zjcvols said:
Like they could not do it. They couldn’t afford a football team View attachment 699128
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Yeah, again, I don't see it as likely. But Post June 1 would make it more palatable for Dallas to do. Ultimately I don't see it happening, but it's also hard to know what Jerry Jones will do. Certainly saving nearly 48 million in actual money would be at least somewhat important to Jerry Jones in this particular scenarop, even if it does hamstring them from a cap standpoint over the next 2 years. As the other teams have shown us, there are ways to kick the can down the street in regards to the cap.
 
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Carp said:
Yeah, again, I don't see it as likely. But Post June 1 would make it more palatable for Dallas to do. Ultimately I don't see it happening, but it's also hard to know what Jerry Jones will do. Certainly saving nearly 48 million in actual money would be at least somewhat important to Jerry Jones in this particular scenarop, even if it does hamstring them from a cap standpoint over the next 2 years. As the other teams have shown us, there are ways to kick the can down the street in regards to the cap.
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Dak isn't playing great ball right now but he certainly isn't the problem with the Cowboys and they certainly aren't going to tank the next 2 or 3 years just to get rid of him. That's wild.
 
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Carp said:
And for a team like us that lacks talent everywhere, Bowers would be a waste of a pick. Bowers is the type of pick you make when you have an established QB to take your offense to the next level. Unless the Raiders draft/sign a franchise QB, Bowers isn't going to move the needle for the Raiders no matter how good he is. I guess he'll sell some jerseys though.
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By this logic drafting a WR in the top 10 is a waste of a pick if you don't have a QB.

Generation talent is generational talent. If you have the opportunity to get it, take it. Doesn't matter the position. JMO
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
By this logic drafting a WR in the top 10 is a waste of a pick if you don't have a QB.

Generation talent is generational talent. If you have the opportunity to get it, take it. Doesn't matter the position. JMO
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For one, we have a lot of needs above TE. This past draft had a lot of "generational" type of talent. OT and WR were most pressing needs.

Secondly, good WRs are harder to find (and generally more expensive) than good TEs. That's why teams value WRs so highly. It's why you see WRs traded for 1st round picks while someone like TJ Hockenson (another 1st round TE) gets traded in a pick swap of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks,.

Generational talent gets thrown around a lot. We'll see how Bowers turns out. But odds are he follows a career path more similar to TJ Hockenson or Mark Andrews than he does someone like Kelce or Gronk.

Hock and Andrews are good. But they aren't someone I am spending a top 10 pick on. In fact, in the last 40 years there are less than 15 TEs total who (based on their NFL career) I would say would be good picks if they were drafted in the top 15 spots in the draft.
 
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Carp said:
TEs are a terrible value in the first round. Even a "generational talent" like Bowers.

Most tight ends generally have a pretty high floor. Good (not great) tight ends are increasingly easier to find in the draft or in free agency. Guys like Jonnu, Dalton Kincaid, Goedert, Otton, etc are e pretty easy to find every year. So because good tight ends are increasingly easier to find, if you are drafting a tight end in the first 15 picks, that TE has to have a Travis Kelce type of career in order to be worth that sort of investment. And the chances of that are pretty slim.

And for a team like us that lacks talent everywhere, Bowers would be a waste of a pick. Bowers is the type of pick you make when you have an established QB to take your offense to the next level. Unless the Raiders draft/sign a franchise QB, Bowers isn't going to move the needle for the Raiders no matter how good he is. I guess he'll sell some jerseys though.
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So you believe it all must go in perfect order? Got it.

The same thing you said about TE's is said about RB's, until they draft a Henry or Barkley.

You find a generational player at many of the positions, you draft him in the first round if you have the opportunity. In the case of an O scheme, you design the scheme to fully take advantage of the generational talent(s). Just like this Titans org did with Henry. Just like Harbaugh would have done with Bowers with the Chargers. You then add talent to the scheme that fits the design.

Titans and Raiders are 2-8 teams. One has a generational talent, the other does not. Neither has a QB. Will see how it goes from here.
 
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