The Pembroke Postgame Report.

#51
#51
TennNC said:
I don't buy that for two reasons: 1) it assumes JP putting up a late hand on a guy like that is remotely effective. And more important, 2) it assumes that playing D with a buffer gives the defender an advantage. It gives the ball handler more space to work with, which either provides him a cleaner look on a jumper or more room to put on a move and get the defender off balance to drive to the basket. If Bone, who is quicker than JP, can guard his man close and keep him in front, it doesn't matter if he tries to get off a shot over him - it won't be a good, clean look - that's the most difficult D to play against if you're creating on your own, and I'd rather take that than a guy being able to challenge a shot late.
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the whole point is the that bone CANNOT hang with Leslie... Leslie will blow by him. since Leslie is at least a step quicker than bone... it won't matter how close bone starts on him... Leslie will get around him cuz of his quickness. if bone plays off of Leslie to compensate for Leslie's quickness advantage... Leslie can easily shoot jumpers over him... basically uncontested.

JP can play the same distance off of Leslie and still contest the jumper... and with JP's length and quick jumping ability... it would be more than just a hand in his face.
 
#52
#52
TennNC said:
I don't buy that for two reasons: 1) it assumes JP putting up a late hand on a guy like that is remotely effective. And more important, 2) it assumes that playing D with a buffer gives the defender an advantage. It gives the ball handler more space to work with, which either provides him a cleaner look on a jumper or more room to put on a move and get the defender off balance to drive to the basket. If Bone, who is quicker than JP, can guard his man close and keep him in front, it doesn't matter if he tries to get off a shot over him - it won't be a good, clean look - that's the most difficult D to play against if you're creating on your own, and I'd rather take that than a guy being able to challenge a shot late.
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Wrong on both counts. If you don't think someone that is 6'7 and long contesting a shot would be effective, you haven't played much basketball. 2nd, playing off the man most definitely makes it easier to stay in front of him. For example, do you think it will be easier to guard John Wall if we're pressed up on him?
 
#53
#53
LawVol13 said:
Wrong on both counts. If you don't think someone that is 6'7 and long contesting a shot would be effective, you haven't played much basketball. 2nd, playing off the man most definitely makes it easier to stay in front of him. For example, do you think it will be easier to guard John Wall if we're pressed up on him?
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How many shots did JP block or alter tonight?

I watched Vincent Yarbrough take the same approach to defense many, many times with very little success. You slough off, let the guy get off a shot, and by the time you put a hand up, the shot is off with a clean look.
 
#54
#54
It was just one of those days. Georgia played their best game, and we didn't have good effort. Our offense was pathetic today I will say that.

Other than that, let's just forget about it and move on. This isn't like the USC-catastrophe. Let's move on to Vandy & Florida.
 
#55
#55
hatvol96 said:
Bone isn't quick.
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He certainly was quick enough to stay in front of Warren. I can only assume you think Leslie is much quicker than Warren.

I guess we won't know if Bone would've been more effective than Prince on Leslie - what's clear is that Prince (and the approach of putting a taller, lankier guy sloughing off on him) was ineffective.
 
#56
#56
zjcvols said:
It was just one of those days. Georgia played their best game, and we didn't have good effort. Our offense was pathetic today I will say that.

Other than that, let's just forget about it and move on. This isn't like the USC-catastrophe. Let's move on to Vandy & Florida.
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you are right about 2 things. this is not like the USC debacle. its worse since this hurts us in the race for the SEC east. and secondly move on. what's done is done.
 
#57
#57
With a quick guard, someone who is 6' 7" with long arms and playing a step off of him is going to fair better than someone like Josh Bone. I don't think there's much debating that.
 
#58
#58
I don't think Josh Bone is bad btw. I think he's a solid defender and a good asset to our team. But in that situation, I'd rather have JP guarding him.
 
#60
#60
TennNC said:
He certainly was quick enough to stay in front of Warren. I can only assume you think Leslie is much quicker than Warren.

I guess we won't know if Bone would've been more effective than Prince on Leslie - what's clear is that Prince (and the approach of putting a taller, lankier guy sloughing off on him) was ineffective.
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He stayed in front of him because he stayed two steps off of him. If Chris makes any jumpers in the last 2 minutes or overtime, nobody is talking about Bone's defense.
 
#61
#61
DeepSpringsVol said:
you are right about 2 things. this is not like the USC debacle. its worse since this hurts us in the race for the SEC east. and secondly move on. what's done is done.
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I hate to break it to you, but there is no "race" in the SEC this year.
 
#64
#64
MadcapLaughs said:
Hat. Who is the most athletic player in the SEC/Country? Leslie has to be in the top 10?
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Leslie is certainly in the elite class. Wall and Bledsoe are both marvelous athletes. Stanley Robinson is probably at the top of my list. Marcus Johnson can fill a highlight reel, too.
 
#65
#65
I said it in another thread earlier today. Mark Fox gets the best out of his players, and knows basketball. He puts together great game plans, and his team executes. The Dawgs will be legit in a couple seasons. That was the best hire GA could have made, IMO.

Its a bad loss for the Vols on paper, but GA is a tough out.
 
#66
#66
hatvol96 said:
Leslie is certainly in the elite class. Wall and Bledsoe are both marvelous athletes. Stanley Robinson is probably at the top of my list. Marcus Johnson can fill a highlight reel, too.
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Have you had a chance to watch the UK game hat? They put on an athletic display almost unheard of.
 
#67
#67
Hardwood_fanatic said:
Have you had a chance to watch the UK game hat? They put on an athletic display almost unheard of.
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I saw bits and pieces of it. No reason to watch large portions. I knew what was coming. Arkansas looks wretched. They need to be assembling a list of coaching candidates.
 
#68
#68
Hat, I know you say Bone is a step slow. But shouldn't we have been doing something to disrupt Leslie in the first half? Bone will at least muscle his man and rough him up a little as he goes to the basket, and I would have rather had him kick it out to open shooters repeatedly and hope they miss the shots rather than give up easy dunks.

My real concern however was that Kenny Hall was obviously lacking in strength for that front line, and Wayne(as has happened before) seemed to be intimidated from the very beginning. He had two trailer threes in the first half that he normally would put up without conscience if he was feeling confident, but instead he waited for one of the guards to come get it. He has to know if he doesn't show up this team has almost no chance against a team with an above average frontcourt.
 
#69
#69
Titanic said:
Hat, I know you say Bone is a step slow. But shouldn't we have been doing something to disrupt Leslie in the first half? Bone will at least muscle his man and rough him up a little as he goes to the basket, and I would have rather had him kick it out to open shooters repeatedly and hope they miss the shots rather than give up easy dunks.

My real concern however was that Kenny Hall was obviously lacking in strength for that front line, and Wayne(as has happened before) seemed to be intimidated from the very beginning. He had two trailer threes in the first half that he normally would put up without conscience if he was feeling confident, but instead he waited for one of the guards to come get it. He has to know if he doesn't show up this team has almost no chance against a team with an above average frontcourt.
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Leslie is much stronger than Bone. All Josh trying to play physical with him would have accomplished would have been to send Leslie to the line at the end of a bunch of and ones.
 
#71
#71
Great post game report. You pretty much nailed every single thing. What did you think of Tatum when he was in and when do you see his minutes picking up? I'm really pulling for him to start getting more significant minutes. He's a good player, great athelete and I think this run in with the cops will really show in how hard he works.
 
#72
#72
In fairness to Arky, they were dealt an extremely unfair hand by the league this week. I don't think anyone should have to play on the road on Saturday after playing in the Thursday game. And, they were sent to Rupp of all places. To make it worse, UK had the week off. That's just wrong.
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#73
#73
Tatum should at least be taking Pearl's minutes at the three on the spot. Tatum should get 15 minutes a game.

And for everyone who hates Brian Williams (including me), this is why we need him. He might have been able to ease the bleeding down low.
 
#74
#74
That was the most lackluster I have seen our team play in a long time (I didn't see the USC loss but I imagine it was similar). Was also the first time I've left a bar while there are still a few minutes of a Tennessee game on because they are playing so terribly.

Like others have stated the defense was just rotten, and the press was pathetic and attributed to more easy baskets than I can remember.

Not at any time during the game did the Vols look anything like the team they have been playing like the last three weeks.

Hopefully it was just a fluke, lack of focus, weird start time, swine flu, bad pedros, or some nasty skunk that had the team down in the dumps.
 
#75
#75
zjcvols said:
Tatum should at least be taking Pearl's minutes at the three on the spot. Tatum should get 15 minutes a game.

And for everyone who hates Brian Williams (including me), this is why we need him. He might have been able to ease the bleeding down low.
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I agree on both points...I would rather have Bone play than Goins still. I like what I see out of Mcbee especially on defense and don't want Tatum taking his minutes. Stephen Pearl is 1/9 on free throws and turns the ball over a lot so I think he needs to go back to the bench where he belongs.
 
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