The Problems with Trans-ideology

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C-south said:
Lol. It’s been literally on every news channel/spurce. On tv talk shows. On podcasts. This hasn’t just been targeting certain people based on their viewing history.
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Who watches TV news and talk shows besides my Boomer parents and the uninformed?

The podcasts I listen to may have mentioned it for a brief second but it's not major. They're smart enough to realize it's not really worth the effort. But you feel free to go nuts
 
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utvolpj said:
Who watches TV news and talk shows besides my Boomer parents and the uninformed?

The podcasts I listen to may have mentioned it for a brief second but it's not major. They're smart enough to realize it's not really worth the effort. But you feel free to go nuts
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Personal podcast choice, that’s cute. I’m sure Rogan and Tucker will discuss it and it’ll be longer than brief. Both are in the Top 3 for podcast, but you know that.
 
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utvolpj said:
Men wanting to compete in women's sports is not mainstream.
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Are you playing semantic games with numbers? Regardless of the amount of men presently playing or wanting to play women's sports, there is a very powerful agenda(mainstream?) attempting to effectively legalize it through Title IX
utvolpj said:
It's a diversion to real issues facing this country.
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Since Title IX passed in 1972 until 2020,
Congressional Bills have modified it.
SCOTUS & lower courts have adjudicated it. Department of Educations OCR have had an enforcement role.
DOJ & Education Department have issued guidance pertaining to it.

You know what mechanisms has never been utilized to legislate Title IX before 2021? That would be Executive Order. As in a "you can't legislate by executive action unless you're a dictator" Biden.

We obviously disagree on the trans issue, but the trans issue itself is a diversion to an authoritarian misuse of power.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Same answer for both, so it doesn’t really matter
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It might, I was thinking the Algerian had XY chromosomes while it was either undetermined/unknown or not necessarily the case for the other person.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Are you playing semantic games with numbers? Regardless of the amount of men presently playing or wanting to play women's sports, there is a very powerful agenda(mainstream?) attempting to effectively legalize it through Title IX
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Semantics? It's simply not an issue outside a few isolated incidents. The rest of your post is meaningless once you acknowledge that
 
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Majors said:
Personal podcast choice, that’s cute. I’m sure Rogan and Tucker will discuss it and it’ll be longer than brief. Both are are in the Top 3 for podcast, but you know that.
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He said it was on podcasts but didn't name any so what experience was I supposed to pull from? I occasionally listen to both those but if it's about trans issues I'm simply not that interested. Same as I don't need an mma show or a discussion on Trump being chosen by God.
 
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utvolpj said:
Semantics? It's simply not an issue outside a few isolated incidents. The rest of your post is meaningless once you acknowledge that
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But it could be mainstream if society continues to make it easier to happen, right? Just because its not mainstream now doesn't mean it wouldn't be.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
But it could be mainstream if society continues to make it easier to happen, right? Just because its not mainstream now doesn't mean it wouldn't be.
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Anything is technically possible but it's extremely unlikely. Much of it is already being hammered out without legislation.
 
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utvolpj said:
Anything is technically possible but it's extremely unlikely. Much of it is already being hammered out without legislation.
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I would say it somewhat likely as that is the path it was/is going... similar to what I said about paying college players say 10-12 years ago. Paying college players wasn't mainstream then, but if you go through the history of this forum.... I told them why it was more than likely to happen.

The forum was convinced I was completely off my rocker, but I have no idea why.... the laws were already in place.

without legislation
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Legislation can make it worse.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I would say it somewhat likely as that is the path it was/is going... similar to what I said about paying college players say 10-12 years ago. Paying college players wasn't mainstream then, but if you go through the history of this forum.... I told them why it was more than likely to happen.

The forum was convinced I was completely off my rocker, but I have no idea why.... the laws were already in place.



Legislation can make it worse.
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Paying players had been happening for decades

It's highly unlikely more males will want to play female sports. This slippery slope is just nonsense
 
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utvolpj said:
Paying players had been happening for decades

It's highly unlikely more makes will want to play female sports. This slippery slope is just nonsense
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True, but I said it would be done in the open and eventually the schools would even want to pay them (which is starting to happen now). It wasn't obvious to the mainstream of this board, they fought tooth and nail for quite a few years.

It happens slowly... slowly.... slowly... then all at once.

You are saying its not mainstream, that's the point... make it mainstream.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
True, but I said it would be done in the open and eventually the schools would even want to pay them (which is starting to happen now). It wasn't obvious to the mainstream of this board, they fought tooth and nail for quite a few years.

It happens slowly... slowly.... slowly... then all at once.

You are saying its not mainstream, that's the point... make it mainstream.
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The demand is simply not there to make it mainstream. It would take a seismic shift in our society to change that
 
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utvolpj said:
Semantics? It's simply not an issue outside a few isolated incidents.
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Hypothetical, if the situation were reversed would you still view it as insignificant?
Like if that Lea Thompson swimmer hadn't been allowed on the women's swim team, or a high school transgirl isn't allowed on the girls basketball team and sues.
Would you agree, disagree, or dismiss it as inconsequential?
utvolpj said:
The rest of your post is meaningless once you acknowledge that
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I don't see how you can say it's inconsequential outside of a few isolated incidents, then call an unprecedented EO pertaining to it meaningless.

Aren't you libertarian? (not sure if it matters to the discussion, I'm just curious here).
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Hypothetical, if the situation were reverse would you still view it as insignificant?
Like if that Lea Thompson swimmer hadn't been allowed on the women's swim team, or a high school transgirl isn't allowed on the girls basketball team and sues.
Would you agree, disagree, or dismiss it as inconsequential?

I don't see how you can say it's inconsequential outside of a few isolated incidents, then call an unprecedented EO pertaining to it meaningless.

Aren't you libertarian? (not sure if it matters to the discussion, I'm just curious here).
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Yes it would still be statistically insignificant.

It's still inconsequential given the number of people it affects. A libertarian wouldn't approve of the potus even having powers like that. But let it roll thru the courts

I attend local and state swim meets at least once a month and have for several years. I've yet to encounter this once and have never heard it happened on any of the boards I read.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yes it would still be statistically insignificant.

It's still inconsequential given the number of people it affects. A libertarian wouldn't approve of the potus even having powers like that. But let it roll thru the courts
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It should be something these sports governing bodies nip in the bud. And they should nip it in the bud
 
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volfanhill said:
It should be something these sports governing bodies nip in the bud. And they should nip it in the bud
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Agreed and it seems they are. The ones that don't will see participation drop. We've been traveling for swimming for several years and have yet to hear of a case.
 
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utvolpj said:
Agreed and it seems they are. The ones that don't will see participation drop. We've been traveling for swimming for several years and have yet to hear of a case.
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The problem here in boxing is that the IOC has decided the IBA is corrupt. So they set the rules. Which is funny bc who the hell is the IOC to call anyone corrupt? That's like FIFA judging others.
 
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jp1 said:
It might, I was thinking the Algerian had XY chromosomes while it was either undetermined/unknown or not necessarily the case for the Italian person.
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Setting aside the XY thing which we’ve talked to death, the posts you’re quoting trace back to C-south saying if you’ve ever had testicles you’re a dude, apparently not realizing that she did not have them. People are transvestigating someone who isn’t trans, and that’s not a good thing to be doing
 
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Katie Ledecky also “a man”. People should be ashamed of themselves but they’re too stupid for that

 
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