The program...

[Orange Maniac]

Nice photo for a caption contest.

Holly: If they are in man
Rel: Squirrel!!

 

[gule]

winner!

 

[Voldemonium]

I see a coach giving instructions and a player talking over her. I'm pretty sure that crap didn't go on with CPS at the helm.

 

[Convoluted]

i do hope she does some of the stuff that CPS did,like make em wash there uniforms on there own,i can't remember if she made em do it by hand or not lol,i would assume so and didn't she kick em out of the comfy locker room ? i know CPS did all sorts of things,i wonder if there is a website that has em all listed ? sounds like somebody should

It' little known that the players didn't wash their own uniforms. They just wore the dirty uniforms. That worked because the opposition didn't want to get near them on defense.

Getting kicked out of the locker room was no problem either. They just put their street clothes on over their unwashed uniforms like they were use to doing in High School, and spend the time they saved by not showering with their friends. Dirt isn't punishment to teenagers.

 

[stllvf]

Lets talk about coaching - game planning, game strategy offensive, game strategy defensive and player improvement. A case could be made that Holly and staff were outcoached against Vandy, a similar response would be that the Vandy players wanted the win more than the LVs. A third could be that they ran their offense (coached) better than the LVs.

Holly started Jones (player of game against Vandy) who did some good things initially and then had 4 turnovers and only played totally 11 minutes. Then Burdick missed three layups in the Miss St games by rushing her shot, and had similar difficulties in other games. Coaching - what is there to be taught - Izzy doubled dribbled in a post move.

Now I do believe that after four years that Simmons should have been taught/mastered a dribble drive to the basket using different speeds and in traffic. that hasn't happened. I also felt that Stricklin played up and down throughout her career - super talent that never manifested itself as a take-over player.

easy to ask the above, difficult to know how to answer sitting behind a computer keyboard

 

[Volfan2012]

Lets talk about coaching - game planning, game strategy offensive, game strategy defensive and player improvement. A case could be made that Holly and staff were outcoached against Vandy, a similar response would be that the Vandy players wanted the win more than the LVs. A third could be that they ran their offense (coached) better than the LVs.

Holly started Jones (player of game against Vandy) who did some good things initially and then had 4 turnovers and only played totally 11 minutes. Then Burdick missed three layups in the Miss St games by rushing her shot, and had similar difficulties in other games. Coaching - what is there to be taught - Izzy doubled dribbled in a post move.

Now I do believe that after four years that Simmons should have been taught/mastered a dribble drive to the basket using different speeds and in traffic. that hasn't happened. I also felt that Stricklin played up and down throughout her career - super talent that never manifested itself as a take-over player.

easy to ask the above, difficult to know how to answer sitting behind a computer keyboard

The reason I think Simmons want make it in the WNBA is because she can't dribble drive to the basket. She just doesn't understand that part of the game. She has the speed Just does not seem to like the contact. She pulls up for the three point jumper most of the time. The only time she takes it to the basket is when she has a one on one in open court. She never tries to take it in there like the 5'4" Vandy guard or the 5'9" LSU guard took it to us with great success.

 

[gule]

Russell played good.

 

[armchair]

According to the official stats, Jones played 27 minutes against Vandy and had 2 turnovers. It is true that she commits too many turnovers--she doesn't know how to pass the ball, and neither does Burdick and neither does Simmons. The Vols never have 5 players playing cohesively--we usually have a couple of players performing well and a couple of players making bonehead mistakes. Late in the game last night, Burdick had the ball and was getting ready to shoot with a defender coming hard at her. She could have easily faked the defender and got either a good look at the basket or been fouled. Instead, she gets her shot blocked and then goes down the court and commits a foul on a made basket for a Miss. State three-point play. Just before that, she failed to block out on defense. A miss. state player slipped in front of her and got the rebound, shot the ball and missed, then outworked Burdick for the SECOND rebound and scored. You can't beat good teams when players are screwing up all game long like that. Simmons has not been coached properly at all: It appears that the coaches have pretty much left her alone for four years--and she has never been anywhere close to all-around player. She's the second-worst shooter on the team--and yet takes the most shots! That's dumb basketball and bad coaching. Were Burdick not having such a miserable year, Simmons would be the worst shooter on the team. We are always doing one thing well and one thing badly. We seem to play zone defense more effectively than man defense--and yet when we play zone the players stand around and give up a TON of offensive rebounds. It's always something--been this way for years. UConn would have beaten Miss. State by 30 mostly because they are much more efficient on offense and don't squander so many possessions with turnovers. Not much confidence in this staff.

 

[Convoluted]

Lets talk about coaching - game planning, game strategy offensive, game strategy defensive and player improvement. A case could be made that Holly and staff were outcoached against Vandy, a similar response would be that the Vandy players wanted the win more than the LVs. A third could be that they ran their offense (coached) better than the LVs.

Holly started Jones (player of game against Vandy) who did some good things initially and then had 4 turnovers and only played totally 11 minutes. Then Burdick missed three layups in the Miss St games by rushing her shot, and had similar difficulties in other games. Coaching - what is there to be taught - Izzy doubled dribbled in a post move.

Now I do believe that after four years that Simmons should have been taught/mastered a dribble drive to the basket using different speeds and in traffic. that hasn't happened. I also felt that Stricklin played up and down throughout her career - super talent that never manifested itself as a take-over player.

easy to ask the above, difficult to know how to answer sitting behind a computer keyboard

I'd agree Holly & staff were out coached. The old saw "wanted it more" argument is meaningless since it is not measurable. Vandy was just the better team.

Inconsistent players tend to remain inconsistent their entire careers. They very seldom "see the light" and become consistent.

 

[Convoluted]

The reason I think Simmons want make it in the WNBA is because she can't dribble drive to the basket. She just doesn't understand that part of the game. She has the speed Just does not seem to like the contact. She pulls up for the three point jumper most of the time. The only time she takes it to the basket is when she has a one on one in open court. She never tries to take it in there like the 5'4" Vandy guard or the 5'9" LSU guard took it to us with great success.

I don't see Simmons as WNBA material. Too many flaws.

 

[wtorange]

Fun to discuss but all those antics with the locker room and uniforms produced squat. The team she did that to I think is the one that lost to Ball State in the tourney. Time and effort would be better utilized teaching them how to run plays and pass the ball. They are lacking in both areas. It would also help to practice stopping penetration by teeny weeny guards. I'm sure they do all that but it's not translating to the court.

That was the year when Holtzclaw was a freshman and we weren't doing much until late in the year. We swept the SEC tournament and the NCAA.

 

[governmentmule]

well to be honest,I just wanted to know all of what Coach Pat Summit did to get her teams focused over the years,off of the court,which a lot of it would be fun to know

how can people knock her style of play ? do ya'll really want to argue her accomplishments ? do i need to post her records ? just look at the championship banners that are hanging in Thompson Boling Arena because of her ,why would ya'll ***** about the greatest coach in Tennessee history ? or for that matter in Womens Basketball history

we all know she was the one that carried Womens Basketball to where it is at today,she took the game on her back and carried it to where it as at , 8 championships says it all

Go Lady Vols :clapping:

 

[DaddyChoc]

Holly said today they have been working on stopping penetration and that she needed to make adjustments during the game. I think we can stop Mississippi State but further down the line can we stop Kentucky, South Carolina, LSU, Vandy, and Texas A&M. These are the biggest game we need to win all of them.

AM: "you need to tell her to stop taking dumb shots"
CHW: "I did, but she doesnt listen"

 

[Convoluted]

well to be honest,I just wanted to know all of what Coach Pat Summit did to get her teams focused over the years,off of the court,which a lot of it would be fun to know

how can people knock her style of play ? do ya'll really want to argue her accomplishments ? do i need to post her records ? just look at the championship banners that are hanging in Thompson Boling Arena because of her ,why would ya'll ***** about the greatest coach in Tennessee history ? or for that matter in Womens Basketball history

we all know she was the one that carried Womens Basketball to where it is at today,she took the game on her back and carried it to where it as at , 8 championships says it all

Go Lady Vols :clapping:

The biggest thing Pat did was start early. She took women's basketball seriously when no one else even knew it existed. For this reason, she had a huge head start on any other school. Because of her reputation, she had her pick of recruits. Once Pat selected the best available players, all the other teams competed for those who remained.

For a long time, the talent was so superior, it didn't take much in the way of coaching to produce superior results. But, after Title 9, other schools became interested and competition became stiffer. Pat was then fortunate to recruit one of the best players ever, Candace Parker. Candace masked the parity that was beginning to occur.

All of Pat's antics, were fun to watch, but they were not the reason the LVs won. Simply put, she had the best talent on the court and those players were self motivated to excel. Not that much coaching was required. The landscape has now changed. Coaching is key.

 

[governmentmule]

so you are saying that Coach Pat Summit wasn't worth a crap as a coach ? that she was just the first in line ? and drew in the players that made the Lady Vols the team to beat,just because she was an also coach and took the game seriously before anybody else ?I don't believe that at all Convoluted,Coach Summit has made the womens program what it is today.if she was able to go,do you really think the she wouldn't be out to put a ass whooping on any team that she would play ?

 

[Voluble2]

so you are saying that Coach Pat Summit wasn't worth a crap as a coach ? that she was just the first in line ? and drew in the players that made the Lady Vols the team to beat,just because she was an also coach and took the game seriously before anybody else ?I don't believe that at all Convoluted,Coach Summit has made the womens program what it is today.if she was able to go,do you really think the she wouldn't be out to put a ass whooping on any team that she would play ?

He obviously doesn't know anything about the early history of women's basketball, who the powers were, and how hard it was for Pat to displace them and get her team to the top.

There are a lot of people here who have an agenda. Whatever Pat's faults were, she earned everything she got the hard way.

 

[VollyParton]

He obviously doesn't know anything about the early history of women's basketball,

Nor the middle history nor the recent history. But he's willing to go on an opponent's board and tell us all about it! :clapping:

 

[Kev415]

well to be honest,I just wanted to know all of what Coach Pat Summit did to get her teams focused over the years,off of the court,which a lot of it would be fun to know

how can people knock her style of play ? do ya'll really want to argue her accomplishments ? do i need to post her records ? just look at the championship banners that are hanging in Thompson Boling Arena because of her ,why would ya'll ***** about the greatest coach in Tennessee history ? or for that matter in Womens Basketball history

we all know she was the one that carried Womens Basketball to where it is at today,she took the game on her back and carried it to where it as at , 8 championships says it all

Go Lady Vols :clapping:

THANK YOU!
She is well respected by her peers, so please show some.
Countless people she has coached are head coaches for other schools, and that speaks volumes to what they have learned from her.

 

[Convoluted]

so you are saying that Coach Pat Summit wasn't worth a crap as a coach ? that she was just the first in line ? and drew in the players that made the Lady Vols the team to beat,just because she was an also coach and took the game seriously before anybody else ?I don't believe that at all Convoluted,Coach Summit has made the womens program what it is today.if she was able to go,do you really think the she wouldn't be out to put a ass whooping on any team that she would play ?

I apologize. I went back and reread my post. I did not mean to imply that Pat was not a good coach. She certainly was ahead of her time. Being head coach at age 22 and competing against some long time coaches with good players was certainly not an easy thing to do. It was through her drive and talent that Tennessee rose to the top of the WBB world and put Tennessee in a position to dominate.

 

[gule]

if Pat had been making the universe way back when instead of the LORD, she'd have done it in 6 days... jus sayin.....

 

[Decker Moss]

Pat was a great leader. My dad always said "Pat gets them, and Al teaches them." Talking about Al Brown who was there during the heyday (1995-2002). Don't know how much of that is true, but we do need an assistant coach to lead our offense. Our offense can be very offensive at times. :birgits_giggle:

 

[governmentmule]

yes she was young as a head coach,she drove the team around in a station wagon and washed the teams jerseys,if i have that part right,your right on a lot of complaints about this team Convoluted and CHW was a player for CPS and is still a loyal friend and the one that took over the Lady Vols from a true legend,we can all see how tough it is for her to try and replace Coach Summit,i wouldn't want that job,but she has taken it on,which i respect,will she take the Lady Vols to where we want them?I don't know,who does,I'm like others on here,we miss Coach Pat Summit and all ways will

 

[Vol67]

I don't think attendance is that big a factor anymore. The price of tickets is low, so attendance is a misleading indicator of financial success. TV revenue is a big factor and it doesn't seem like the LVs have much of a TV presence. The fact that Tennessee athletics is losing money is an indicator of the problems that exist.

In contrast, uconn has high def TV broadcasts of all their games. Those not shown on ESPN are available nationwide on the SNY network. This coverage is financially beneficial and also helps in recruiting. Recruits are exposed to uconn wherever they live.

So, Tennessee may not wish to spend more money on women's basketball. Already, they are paying Pat Summitt a significant salary. I'm wondering how cost effective that is. Perhaps it doesn't matter. The admin may care more about honoring Pat for the past than having future success.

Some of your statements are erroneous at best.

UT athletics is not losing money but they got in financial bind when Hamilton made a bunch of bad hires and UT had to pay off contracts and Cheek was using the Athletic Dept as his own personal piggy bank. Most of the contracts are paid off, Cheek has been told hands Off and ticket [rices have been raised so UT is back in the black but not by much. 2 more years and only Martins buyout will be needed to pay and the SEC Network will bring an infusion of $$$$ by the 2nd year.

The difference is Hart cares only about Football and his 3 pervious stops prove this out

 

[Volfan2012]

Were a lot better team next season with those big guards coming in and Simmons leaving. Jared is averaging 30 and 14 rebound 5 steals her senior year she can score and will help immediately. The four players we have coming in might just put this team over the top next season with another National Championship.

 

[wtorange]

Were a lot better team next season with those big guards coming in and Simmons leaving. Jared is averaging 30 and 14 rebound 5 steals her senior year she can score and will help immediately. The four players we have coming in might just put this team over the top next season with another National Championship.

What have you seen in the last couple of years that makes you think they will be any better as seniors as when they step on the floor as freshmen?