The Scapegoat

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 7, 2005 3:52 PM
AMEN!  you do so much better of a job explaining to these fools what is going on.  We should join together and form an alliance.
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This is just a chatroom, it is not Survivor. Your not going to be voted off.

 

[holdemvol]

Out of curiosity Lex, what did you think of the playcalling Saturday?

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 7, 2005 4:11 PM
Out of curiosity Lex, what did you think of the playcalling Saturday?

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I thought we abandoned the run too early when we were down 28-21. Also wondered why we didn't throw a slip screen when the safeties were sneaking up.

I do not know whether it was the playcalling, or just leaving one QB in the whole game, but the offense had more rhythm until the fourth quarter.

I was beginning to think that if RS had gone back to the box at the beginning of the year he may still have a J O B.

 

[CSpindizzy]

I just had a long conversation with a Irish fan friend of mine. He made an observation about the comparison of the two receiver corps. He said, as many here have said, our WR's showed no effort. They ran a route and reached and that was all. Nothing outstanding and nothing for a season highlight reel. I told him that was our entire season....no outstanding WR plays all year.

He also made the observation that their WR's and TE's blocked for the one who caught the ball. Our guys just ran along and cheered when someone caught the ball.

Just an observation from the other side about our WR's.

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 7, 2005 3:27 PM
Is holding the players accountable bashing them? If so count me out. I don't feel the need to bash a bunch of kids who ARE trying to win every game they play. If you feel the need to bash a bunch of kids then I guess you have that right as an American. Being an American you have the right to have no class.

As far as play calling goes, what did you expect? I said before the game that some like yourself would come on here even though there is NO WAY in heck that you can change an offense in one week, so thank you for proving me right.
These kids are playing hard and if you don't see that you are blinded by your hatred of CPF or you are way to emotional.

As far as players developing, how about our DB's, O line, DE, RB's and punter?  How do we rank as far as player who are now on NFL rosters? I think it is 2nd. HELLO!

Look it is obvious that you dislike CPF very much and that you like to bash UT players. I like CRS and hated to see things work out the way they did but I did not bash him and won't. You will not see me bashing any of our players or coaches because I am here for MY SCHOOL and I love them win or lose. Instead of bashing them I want to root them on and help find out how to fix the problem. One bad year will not make my BIG ORANGE fade.

You do want you want. As for me and mine? We are ALL VOL!

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Okay... Where do I begin??

Players are used to being bashed. They have coaches that yell and scream at them all the time. They are constantly criticized, and I think your political correctness has no place in football. Football players are tough physically and mentally. Trash talking is more vulgur than you might believe for a bunch of "sensitive kids" as you think of them. When I played football, we were bashed to the point where it hardly had any effect on us besides a motivational tool. It did not sadden us to the point of wanting to quit the game. Coaches yell, fans boo, and opponents talk trash... all forms of bashing to me.

You say these "kids" are trying their hardest to win every game. Yet, many of the recent posts in this thread and others repeat the fact that many of these players are not giving full effort- not the whole team, but enough for us to have a 4 game losing streak.

I have not knocked the play calling at all this year. Read my other posts and quote me when I bashed play calling (not sarcastic remarks). If you can do that, I will stand corrected and promptly apologize to you. I have gotten emotional, sorry. And never have I expressed any hatred of Phillip Fulmer.

I think you missed the point of this post. It is in DEFENSE of Randy Sanders and his responsibility. Once again, I never mentioned a hatred of coach Phillip Fulmer. Please quote me if I am wrong. How we rank with players in the NFL is a reflection of the talent and type of players (ability, attitude, discipline) that UT used to have. And many of those coaches that were around to develop those players are the same coaches here now. With that said, if the coaches factor remains the same, what's different... THE PLAYERS! I dont understand what point you are trying to make against what I said about the RS haters. It had no relevance.

Again, I said nothing about having hatred towards CPF. I was just frustrated with the ignorance in the belief that RS play calling was the only problem with UT. I am pro-UT football too, but I am against the ignorance in mentality that has affected the minds of many UT fans that know NOTHING about football besides the fact that UT is the orange team.

I dont know why, but you severely mis-comprehended the points I was trying to make.

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[gonygonygo]

The point was that since Randy Sanders was no longer head of the play-calling duties the offense would thrive as believed by many ignorant fans that post on this site. We ended up with the same result in the game. Even if RS had influence in some of the plays called, the way we run the offense is a factor of the system that UT has always had success with in the past. People that are simple-minded always look for a "simple" solution when it comes to trying to fix problems. That's how I see many of UT's fans. I agree that RS wasn't the world's greatest (and far from it), but he was doing a decent job, and not bad enough to lose his job.

I disagreed with the point made by Volbeef88 with his player development and NFL comment because once a player goes to the NFL, his fundamentals, work ethic, and ACTUAL ABILITY are what keeps him playing in the league. Development has alot to do with, but that is not the only factor that there is. Many players looked good in college because of a system that hid their weaknesses. That leads me to the definition of a "bust". Look at Spurrier's quarterbacks of the past that looked like Dan Marinos at UF. They went to the NFL and fell flat on their faces. You either have "it" as a player or do not. Coaching cannot change that very much.

If you do have "it", a coach can bring it out of you. But if you do not, there's nothing that can be done.

 

[Lexvol]

Okay... Where do I begin??

Players are used to being bashed. They have coaches that yell and scream at them all the time.

These players have been coddled. They rarely get yelled at, and that is part of the problem.

And never have I expressed any hatred of Phillip Fulmer.

Not all criticism is hateful.

but I am against the ignorance in mentality that has affected the minds of many UT fans that know NOTHING about football besides the fact that UT is the orange team.

Maybe the fact that RS has not been offered a head coach job is also an indicator of his talent. I don't have to be a chef to know if the food tastes good, and I don't have to be a coach to know the UT offense is terrible.

I dont know why, but you severely mis-comprehended the points I was trying to make.

Sometimes you are hard to follow.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 7, 2005 6:22 PM
How we rank with players in the NFL is a reflection of the talent and type of players (ability, attitude, discipline) that UT used to have.  And many of those coaches that were around to develop those players are the same coaches here now.  With that said, if the coaches factor remains the same, what's different... THE PLAYERS!  I dont understand what point you are trying to make against what I said about the RS haters.  It had no relevance.

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Actually, the coaches are a little different. Up through 2001 I think our staff at one time or another had:

WR Kippy Brown
QB David Cutcliffe
OL Mike Barry
OL Doug Marrone
TE Rodney Garner

Aside from Garner, those were all good to great coaches. Garner was a GREAT recruiter. So, yes, our staff is different.

I think our draftable talent has slipped slightly because we are doing such a TERRIBLE job of developing players and showcasing their talents. Brady Quinn was not going to the NFL in the 1st round under his former regime; ditto for Palmer at USC before Chow.

RS was the best of the bad bunch we have. This is Fulmer's problem.

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 7, 2005 6:47 PM
Actually, the coaches are a little different.  Up through 2001 I think our staff at one time or another had:

WR Kippy Brown
QB David Cutcliffe
OL Mike Barry
OL Doug Marrone
TE Rodney Garner

Aside from Garner, those were all good to great coaches.  Garner was a GREAT recruiter.  So, yes, our staff is different.

I think our draftable talent has slipped slightly because we are doing such a TERRIBLE job of developing players and showcasing their talents.  Brady Quinn was not going to the NFL in the 1st round under his former regime; ditto for Palmer at USC before Chow.

RS was the best of the bad bunch we have.  This is Fulmer's problem.

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We damn near went to the national title game in 2002; we also have made 2 SEC Championship game appearances. I'm not saying this group is better than the group you mentioned, but obviously they were doing something right...

I also think we have good recruiters now. We still from year to year get among the nation's best high school players. Erik Ainge for example was a highly touted QB, James Banks was the #1 QB out of high school when we nabbed him, Jabari Davis was one of the best RB's in the country; Gerald Riggs was the #1 RB coming out of high school. We still have the ability (maybe not after this year) to get high school's best (at least on paper) players to wear the big "T". You make a point with player development being a possible problem, and the scouts may be overhyping players, but bottom line is we are still getting what we feel are the best players in high school (on paper, again) to come here.

This past year we had the nation's #1 recruiting class....
(according to the "experts")

the same experts that picked UT #3 in the country this preseason.

This group may not be getting it done, but we'll see if the program is really going downhill in the next few years. It's hard to judge a program in it's first 4 years under new coaching. Now after 7 or 8 years, and we are still 3-5..... :gun:

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 7, 2005 6:47 PM
Actually, the coaches are a little different.  Up through 2001 I think our staff at one time or another had:

WR Kippy Brown
QB David Cutcliffe
OL Mike Barry
OL Doug Marrone
TE Rodney Garner

Aside from Garner, those were all good to great coaches.  Garner was a GREAT recruiter.  So, yes, our staff is different.

I think our draftable talent has slipped slightly because we are doing such a TERRIBLE job of developing players and showcasing their talents.  Brady Quinn was not going to the NFL in the 1st round under his former regime; ditto for Palmer at USC before Chow.

RS was the best of the bad bunch we have.  This is Fulmer's problem.

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Player development does play a big role in a player's chances to be draftable. Dont always get caught up in the player development thing as meaning players will have long successful careers. Development gets them there, and that's about it.

Example: How many players from the outstanding UF offenses under Steve Spurrier turned out to be first round busts?? (Danny Wuerful, Ike Hilliard, Jesse Palmer, Jaques Green, etc.) Players CAN be product of a great system. Another example will be Alex Smith from , mark my words.

Others: Jason White (oklahoma heisman winner)
Ki-Janna Carter (colorado, i think)
Nebraska's last good running back after Ahman Green
Ryan Leaf

 

[gonygonygo]

Okay... Where do I begin??

Players are used to being bashed. They have coaches that yell and scream at them all the time.

These players have been coddled. They rarely get yelled at, and that is part of the problem.

And never have I expressed any hatred of Phillip Fulmer.

Not all criticism is hateful.

but I am against the ignorance in mentality that has affected the minds of many UT fans that know NOTHING about football besides the fact that UT is the orange team.

Maybe the fact that RS has not been offered a head coach job is also an indicator of his talent. I don't have to be a chef to know if the food tastes good, and I don't have to be a coach to know the UT offense is terrible.

I dont know why, but you severely mis-comprehended the points I was trying to make.

Sometimes you are hard to follow.

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Sorry I'm all over the place with my comments. I have so much in my head and have a hard time organizing my thoughts. I just type as it comes to me.

Regardless if you disagree with me on most things, I do make competent arguments, dont I? If not, I need to leave this forum thing alone.
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[Liper]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 7, 2005 8:38 PM
We damn near went to the national title game in 2002; we also have made 2 SEC Championship game appearances.  I'm not saying this group is better than the group you mentioned, but obviously they were doing something right...I also think we have good recruiters now.

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Oh, I wasn't arguing with you about anything. I was just pointing out some coaches that have been and gone.

BTW, in 2001, when we almost went to the Rose Bowl, I believe Doug Marrone was our OL coach.

There is no doubt we recruit well. That's pretty easy to figure out. And you don't have to buy the rankings stuff, just look at who we beat out for these players.

Example: Swain, B Smith, Meachem, and Shelly could have gone anywhere in the country they wanted. Add in all of the other guys where we beat out FSU, OKL, ND, etc, and you can see that our WR corps is as talented as anyone's in the country from top to bottom from a recruiting standpoint.

I think you'll see a guy like Hannon really slip because there just hasn't been any production. But what if they had asked us about him in Weiss' system? I think he'd be gone in the first 2 rounds.

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 7, 2005 6:13 PM
Playcalling had nothing to do with the loss Saturday and if you really believe that it did, I would question your football savvy.  I thought the staff did a very good job with the playcalling, but once again nobody stepped up and made a play when it counted.  What's next.......until Sanders moves out of the state of Tennessee nothing will change?  You can question the staff all you want when it comes to player preparation, discipline, and execution but playcalling has been the least of UT's problems this year.

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Nothing, all plays called were perfect ones?

Imagine that, I must have missed that all together.

Thanks for the enlightenment, Mrs. Sanders.

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[wilburnVol]

holemvol bleated: Playcalling had nothing to do with the loss Saturday and if you really believe that it did, I would question your football savvy. I thought the staff did a very good job with the playcalling, but once again nobody stepped up and made a play when it counted. What's next.......until Sanders moves out of the state of Tennessee nothing will change? You can question the staff all you want when it comes to player preparation, discipline, and execution but playcalling has been the least of UT's problems this year.

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 7, 2005 6:22 PM
AMEN!  you do so much better of a job explaining to these fools what is going on.  We should join together and form an alliance.
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I agree and I have a name already picked out for you.

Two Idiot Savants Of Football.

Here's your slogan:

"We know everything football, would someone please wipe the drool of our chins?" lol: lol: lol: lol:

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 7, 2005 6:53 PM
I thought we abandoned the run too early when we were down 28-21.  Also wondered why we didn't throw a slip screen when the safeties were sneaking up.

I do not know whether it was the playcalling, or just leaving one QB in the whole game, but the offense had more rhythm until the fourth quarter.

I was beginning to think that if RS had gone back to the box at the beginning of the year he may still have a J O B.

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We did abandon the run too early especially since, for once, we had stretched the field enough to take advantage of it.

If RS was in the box earlier, his lack of physical prescence might have bought him more time, out of sight, out of mind, glad that he chose to hotdog it down there in retrospect. :yahoo:

 

[wilburnVol]

QUOTE(holdemvol @ Nov 7, 2005 3:43 PM)
Playcalling had nothing to do with the loss Saturday and if you really believe that it did, I would question your football savvy. I thought the staff did a very good job with the playcalling, but once again nobody stepped up and made a play when it counted. What's next.......until Sanders moves out of the state of Tennessee nothing will change? You can question the staff all you want when it comes to player preparation, discipline, and execution but playcalling has been the least of UT's problems this year.

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 7, 2005 6:22 PM
AMEN!  you do so much better of a job explaining to these fools what is going on.  We should join together and form an alliance.
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[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 7, 2005 11:23 PM
Sorry I'm all over the place with my comments.  I have so much in my head and have a hard time organizing my thoughts.  I just type as it comes to me.

Regardless if you disagree with me on most things, I do make competent arguments, dont I?  If not, I need to leave this forum thing alone.
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[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 8, 2005 8:43 AM
holemvol bleated: Playcalling had nothing to do with the loss Saturday and if you really believe that it did, I would question your football savvy.  I thought the staff did a very good job with the playcalling, but once again nobody stepped up and made a play when it counted.  What's next.......until Sanders moves out of the state of Tennessee nothing will change?  You can question the staff all you want when it comes to player preparation, discipline, and execution but playcalling has been the least of UT's problems this year.
I agree and I have a name already picked out for you.

Two Idiot Savants Of Football.

Here's your slogan:

"We know everything football, would someone please wipe the drool of our chins?"  lol:  lol:  lol:  lol:

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Okay, you seem to keep repeating your philosophy that play calling is the only thing that seems to matter when it comes to being successful. None of the other factors matter because the right play calling will always compensate for deficencies in other areas of the offense.

The Lady Vols Volleyball team could beat UT's football team on the gridiron if the right plays were called according to you since that's the only thing that matters, huh?

Are you sure you're feeling okay?
:ill_h4h:

BTW, how do you know the plays are so bad without examining the game film? You are like a Monday morning quarterback. You say what you think "should" have been done "after" you know the outcome of what already happened. Randy Sanders does a pretty good job of calling a game with the handicap of not knowing the future.

It's like picking the lottery numbers after the drawing has already taken place.

Besides, CPF is the one that ultimately had the play calling responsibilities with RS stepping down. If he feels that the play suggestion (if that's the case) of RS was good enough for him, then you need to be blaming CPF for the "bad" play calling that has cost us 5 games this year. CPF was OC back when we had our "explosive" offense. I'm sure he didn't forget how to call plays. If he doesn't make the call, and let's Randy tell him what play to run, he obviously doesn't have anything else in mind that will be better. If he did, he'd veto the play and run something better. He didn't, so blame CPF for those plays too.

You aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you??

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[IBleedOrange24/7]

Originally posted by smokedog#3@Nov 7, 2005 3:27 PM
i've said it before and i'll say it again fulmer is to blame.

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your wrong, AGAIN! as for yankeeNYGO who cares what his excuse is.....Id bet he doesnt even know where Knoxville is.

She yaps alot, but only to run circles around herself. :mf_surrender:

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by CSpindizzy@Nov 7, 2005 6:03 PM
I guess I'm a part of your "Vast 75% Conspiracy". I personally was one calling for Sanders' head. But I never said the proverbial magic wand will be waved and all will be right with the world after one week.

As a matter of fact as some have pointed out, Sanders was a part of Fulmer's "OC By Committee" and was upstairs. Odds are that was who Clausen was with on the headset and Ainge was with on the phone.

So keep griping about "Sanders is gone and we still lost" all you want. Until he is gone, a new OC comes in, and all traces of Sanders is wiped there will still be a question on Offense....

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[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 7, 2005 6:22 PM
Okay...  Where do I begin??

Players are used to being bashed.  They have coaches that yell and scream at them all the time.  They are constantly criticized, and I think your political correctness has no place in football.  Football players are tough physically and mentally.  Trash talking is more vulgur than you might believe for a bunch of "sensitive kids" as you think of them.  When I played football, we were bashed to the point where it hardly had any effect on us besides a motivational tool.  It did not sadden us to the point of wanting to quit the game.  Coaches yell, fans boo, and opponents talk trash...  all forms of bashing to me.

You say these "kids" are trying their hardest to win every game.  Yet, many of the recent posts in this thread and others repeat the fact that many of these players are not giving full effort- not the whole team, but enough for us to have a 4 game losing streak. 

I have not knocked the play calling at all this year.  Read my other posts and quote me when I bashed play calling (not sarcastic remarks).  If you can do that, I will stand corrected and promptly apologize to you.  I have gotten emotional, sorry.  And never have I expressed any hatred of Phillip Fulmer.

I think you missed the point of this post.  It is in DEFENSE of Randy Sanders and his responsibility.  Once again, I never mentioned a hatred of coach Phillip Fulmer.  Please quote me if I am wrong.  How we rank with players in the NFL is a reflection of the talent and type of players (ability, attitude, discipline) that UT used to have.  And many of those coaches that were around to develop those players are the same coaches here now.  With that said, if the coaches factor remains the same, what's different... THE PLAYERS!  I dont understand what point you are trying to make against what I said about the RS haters.  It had no relevance.

Again, I said nothing about having hatred towards CPF.  I was just frustrated with the ignorance in the belief that RS play calling was the only problem with UT.  I am pro-UT football too, but I am against the ignorance in mentality that has affected the minds of many UT fans that know NOTHING about football besides the fact that UT is the orange team.

I dont know why, but you severely mis-comprehended the points I was trying to make. 

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Well thank you for coming on here and telling me that I know nothing about football. I only played all my life. My coaches must have been really dumb to waste that roster spot.
And you calling me PC is funny. I don't think it is right for some of you to come on here and bash a kid personally (which happens way to much). I do think the kids are playing hard and are trying their dead level best. Now I will say that they are not playing smart ball and there is a HUGE difference in not playing hard and not playing smart (you being a football wiz I'm sure you know that so that was for the benefit of all us dummies).
Also oh great genius of all things football. Could you please (in laymen's terms sence we are all so dumb and I would hate for you to talk over our thick skulls with your hightened football knowledge) explain just how CPF was going to change the O in one week? I have not bashed CRS. I do understand that there is a lot more to being an OC than play calling. CRS job was to coordinate the O. PERIOD! Play calling is just one part. It seems as he could not get it done to the satisfaction of himself and others or he would not have stepped down because he is not a quitter.
So please (perhaps at a first grade level sence we are so dumb) explain how that change could happen.
I also have a request for Freak. Freak could you set up some online classes with this guy so he could explain football to all of us dummies?

 

[wilburnVol]

Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 8, 2005 11:35 AM
Okay, you seem to keep repeating your philosophy that play calling is the only thing that seems to matter when it comes to being successful.

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Wrong again, never my philosophy, several posts in this thread alone prove you wrong...again.

Now get walking, you're late for work.

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[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 8, 2005 9:19 AM
Well thank you for coming on here and telling me that I know nothing about football. I only played all my life. My coaches must have been really dumb to waste that roster spot.
And you calling me PC is funny. I don't think it is right for some of you to come on here and bash a kid personally (which happens way to much). I do think the kids are playing hard and are trying their dead level best. Now I will say that they are not playing smart ball and there is a HUGE difference in not playing hard and not playing smart (you being a football wiz I'm sure you know that so that was for the benefit of all us dummies).
Also oh great genius of all things football. Could you please (in laymen's terms sence we are all so dumb and I would hate for you to talk over our thick skulls with your hightened football knowledge) explain just how CPF was going to change the O in one week? I have not bashed CRS. I do understand that there is a lot more to being an OC than play calling. CRS job was to coordinate the O. PERIOD! Play calling is just one part. It seems as he could not get it done to the satisfaction of himself and others or he would not have stepped down because he is not a quitter.
So please (perhaps at a first grade level sence we are so dumb) explain how that change could happen.
I also have a request for Freak. Freak could you set up some online classes with this guy so he could explain football to all of us dummies?

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CPF has been on the coaching staff for quite a long time now. Wasn't he even OC at one point too? Anyways, my point is that this offense is the same offense it has always been since he has been a part of this coaching staff. Why would he change it now? It worked in the past, yet RS gets the blame for bad play calling. With RS stepping down, the play calling duties have transfered. But the offense hasn't changed and wont change. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I felt CPF was going to change the offense that he runs in the first place.

What it boils down to is that none of us are in position to tell them what they are doing wrong since we are on the outside looking in. They will handle things (RS stepping down for example) to get it all back in order. But I never meant to imply that CPF was going to change the offense. Just that the play calling would be different, somehow. And it wasn't that big of a problem in the first place.

As for bashing kids, that is part of the business. When you are in a high profile position in the public eye, that comes with the territory. Look at President Bash, i mean Bush. Look at professional athletes, they are bashed all of the time by tv analysts. Dont give me that crap that because these guys aren't professionals makes a good reason for them to be led by the hand. Look at coach Bobby Knight and tell me he doesn't bash his players?? Verbally and Physically, lol.

Here's one lesson I have for you, since you requested some of my great football philosophy...

Scenario: 3rd down and 14 (would have been 3rd and 9, but Aaron Sears moved early causing us to go back 5 more yards).

We are on the road, the crowd is yelling at full capacity, and we are backed up on our own 20 yard line. This is not the place to be aggressive where the risks severely outweigh the rewards of picking up those 14 yards. Of the the things that can go wrong, I'm not going to play things in the hands of the defense.

Here's what I'll do... Probably some type of TE or FB screen, or draw play or air it out deep where only my WR can make the play or the ball will go out of bounds. A HB draw would probably be a good play to run as well.

The difficult part is knowing what the defense will do. They might show blitz, then back 8 or 9 into coverage. With my QB not making smart reads and having happy feet, I'm not gonna have him make a 5 step drop and be Brett Farve. Also, my receivers have not been doing great getting open against one on one coverage, so what makes me think they will suddenly spring wide open in double and triple coverage.

Say EA drops back to pass and has nobody open... He doesn't believe in throwing the ball away. He could take a sack possibly fumbling, or force an errant throw (which is highly possible with his lack of accuracy) and have the pass intercepted. This would put our tired defense in a bind. The game is still close, and it's early in the game so no point in getting behind early. Also, Ainge could get sacked and fumble or worse fling the ball to the defense to avoid a sack, which he is famous for.

I'd rather run something safe, punt and let the defense do it's thing since they are the strength of the team. Then when the offense gets the ball back, we can try again to move down the field. And since we aren't facing a huge deficit, we dont have to change our offense to constantly throwing (which isn't our strength). We can run the normal offense and hopefully have more success.

You may disagree with my philosophy, but I do think that's what RS or CPF is probably thinking when we get into that type of situation. Aggressive is good when it's feasible. With the way the offense is going, 3rd and 14 is not feasible right now. I could see your point in being aggressive to provide a spark, but until we get better QB play, I will not change my opinion.

Lesson 2 coming later if you would like... :lolabove:

 

[holdemvol]

Originally posted by wilburnVol@Nov 8, 2005 8:39 AM
Nothing, all plays called were perfect ones?

Imagine that, I must have missed that all together.

Thanks for the enlightenment, Mrs. Sanders.

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Maybe I should have worded my post a little differently. Playcalling did not cause UT to lose that game. Lack of execution, big plays given up on defense, and poor special teams play did. I have stated many times that I am glad Sanders is gone, you will not find a post of mine that claims Sanders should stay. The playcalling was more than good enough to win that game if UT executes what was called, does not allow a punt return for a TD, and does not fumble a kickoff return giving ND a cheap score. By the way, you would be hard pressed to find any game at any time when every play called was the perfect call. The coaching staff is responsible for what has gone on, but my POINT was that playcalling has been the least of the problems this year. If you honestly believe that playcalling has been the main problem this season, you are either an idoit or blind. Sanders is gone at the end of the year, so give it up and find a new hobby.

 

[Fayettevol]

Yada. Yada. Yada.
Sound and fury signifying nothing.
Nattering nabobs.

I make a motion that we replace the entire coaching staff with everybody who has posted on this thread (except me) for the Vanderbilt game. Let's see what you can do. Neyland will be one giant Zanie's Comedy Club.