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VOLnMiami said:
I believe it was the year before...Not sure how they lost money but they said they did....Remember tho, They don't survive on a day to day basis...They have money in the bank...Still surprises me they would say they lost money with all the profit they pull in.
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Didn't they come out and say they should have like x amount though and we have a lot less. Like we have peanuts compared to other SEC schools?
 
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janthony81 said:
wow, I love reading what all of theses so called ADs are having to say about our mens basketball coach, thank god that you are being well paid for your opinions
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it is a message board, genius. that is sort of the point.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm not sure what you're arguing then. You say we'll cut Martin because we'll lose money, then say we're not hurting for money. And if we're just going to just replace Martin with another cheap hire, why would they buy him out?
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Easy....Because he sucks...We might get lucky with the next hire like we did with Pearl minus all the bull crap he did to get fired.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Easy....Because he sucks...We might get lucky with the next hire like we did with Pearl minus all the bull crap he did to get fired.
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It would be hard to get Pearl kind of lucky. 6 for 6 going to the tournament. We aren't getting that kind of coach for what we were paying pearl because if makes 3 or 4 straight if a bigger school comes calling . Tennessee will not match.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Here I'll do about the most uneventfuf, 20-10 scenario there is.

20-10 (12-6)

Wins: USC Upstate, Citadel, Tennessee State, N Xavier, N Wake Forest, Tennessee Tech, Morehead State, Virginia, A&M, Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss, @Vandy, USCjr, UGA, @A&M, @Miss. St, Vandy, @Auburn, Missouri

Losses: @Xavier, N UTEP, @Wichita, Nc State, @LSU, @Kentucky, @UF, @Bama, UF, @Missouri

Good wins: Virginia, Arkansas and Missouri
Bad Losses: N UTEP


That resume has 1 bad loss by expected RPIs according to rpiforecast.com as defined by the NCAA committee, and 3 good wins.
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Not getting into the argument here but I thought I saw rpiforecast.com having UT with an RPI in the mid 50s pr so and with a 12 loss record. That may have been a week or so ago, not sure.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, present a scenario. We are 7-4, name a scenario where we go 13-6 and you see that as a resume that won't get us in the dance.

Like I've said, you can't do it both ways. Sure there's a scenario where we'd have bad losses, but in that scenario we'd have a lot of good wins that outweigh those losses. There's also a scenario that we have no or just a couple good wins, but in that scenario we have very few bad losses and none in January, February or March.

Like I've said, every team towards the end of the S-curve has bad losses, it's not like one bad loss and you're excluded from the dance.

I've also challenged you to name a team from a major conference to have a rpi inside of 45 and be left out of the dance, you still haven't. I'm assuming it because you realize you can't find one, right?
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You're assuming that 20 wins gets you an rpi in the 40s.
I've already shown you that you can have 20 wins and an rpi in the 70s, ala VA last season.
if we follow that pattern and end up with 20 wins and a slew of bad losses, what then?
 
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calban said:
You're assuming that 20 wins gets you an rpi in the 40s.
I've already shown you that you can have 20 wins and an rpi in the 70s, ala VA last season.
if we follow that pattern and end up with 20 wins and a slew of bad losses, what then?
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Trust me, save your time. He only wants to hear himself.
 
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Haha the fact is, I care what BTO and calban and most others think as well, or I wouldn't post on here. BTO and I just happen to disagree on this one thing, but I respect his opinion.
 
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calban said:
You're assuming that 20 wins gets you an rpi in the 40s.
I've already shown you that you can have 20 wins and an rpi in the 70s, ala VA last season.
if we follow that pattern and end up with 20 wins and a slew of bad losses, what then?
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Surely you're pulling my chain Calban, right? You should know just about as well as anyone that there's no way in Haiti that you can interchange teams when discussing the RPI. It's why Virginia won 20 and had a RPI in the 70s, yet Villanova won 18 and had a RPI in the 50s.

Do you know what Virginia's SOS was last year? 121st. Do you know what Tennessee's SOS is projected to be this year? 35th. Do you know what Villanova's SOS was last year? 20th.

Winning 20 games against the 121st toughest schedule is not near the same as winning 20 games against the 35th toughest schedule, or 18 games against the 20th toughest schedule.

In the 20-10 scenario we lose 6 more games, for the sake of arguement all are bad losses. So we lose to Vandy x2, Auburn x2 and A&M x2....there's 6 bad losses.

That means we beat @LSU, Arkansas, @UK, UFx2, Mizzou x2, (N) Xavier, UVA

Those 9 good wins would more than outweigh the RPI hits from the 6 bad losses named above. That's how rpiforecast simulates and comes up with their projections. If you flip the script our RPI would still be about the same, win all those bad losses, but lose all the big conference games.

Regardless of how you want to say it plays out, 20 wins regular season (not counting tusculum) would have this teams RPI <45, and dancing. Like I've tried to explain a couple times, every bubble team has bad losses, that's why they're on the bubble and not a 5 seed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Surely you're pulling my chain Calban, right? You should know just about as well as anyone that there's no way in Haiti that you can interchange teams when discussing the RPI. It's why Virginia won 20 and had a RPI in the 70s, yet Villanova won 18 and had a RPI in the 50s.

Do you know what Virginia's SOS was last year? 121st. Do you know what Tennessee's SOS is projected to be this year? 35th. Do you know what Villanova's SOS was last year? 20th.

Winning 20 games against the 121st toughest schedule is not near the same as winning 20 games against the 35th toughest schedule, or 18 games against the 20th toughest schedule.

In the 20-10 scenario we lose 6 more games, for the sake of arguement all are bad losses. So we lose to Vandy x2, Auburn x2 and A&M x2....there's 6 bad losses.

That means we beat @LSU, Arkansas, @UK, UFx2, Mizzou x2, (N) Xavier, UVA

Those 9 good wins would more than outweigh the RPI hits from the 6 bad losses named above. That's how rpiforecast simulates and comes up with their projections. If you flip the script our RPI would still be about the same, win all those bad losses, but lose all the big conference games.

Regardless of how you want to say it plays out, 20 wins regular season (not counting tusculum) would have this teams RPI <45, and dancing. Like I've tried to explain a couple times, every bubble team has bad losses, that's why they're on the bubble and not a 5 seed.
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Show me a team that had 3 or more bad losses last season that made the tourney without winning conference or their tourney.
I think there was one.
 
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calban said:
Show me a team that had 3 or more bad losses last season that made the tourney without winning conference or their tourney.
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I believe Ole Miss had 3. They did win their conference, however I believe a guy from the committee came out and said they were in regardless of the outcome of that game.

You won't find many teams with that many bad losses, because if you're losing that many to bad teams you likely aren't winning enough against good teams to get to 20 wins, right? I mean can you find me a team that has had 6 or more bad losses, but 9 or more good wins? I'm doubting it.

You also can't find a team to have a RPI better than 45 and be left out of the dance, so it can work both ways. I presented a scenario that is probably about as likely as us going undefeated.

The most likely route to 20-10 would be us losing to UK, UFx2, @LSU, @Mizz and @Bama

That would give us 4 good wins, and 1 bad loss. I can find you a whole bunch of teams that have gotten in with that resume.
 
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