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bleedingTNorange said:
Regress as the season goes? Isn't that the opposite trend of Martin coached teams? They tend to start slow and get better, not regress as the season goes.
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Possibly a misconception formed by late runs against a softening schedule.
A big win late last season against MZ then a complete meltdown against Bama in the tourney.
Spells regression to me.
 
#102
#102
calban said:
Possibly a misconception formed by late runs against a softening schedule.
A big win late last season against MZ then a complete meltdown against Bama in the tourney.
Spells regression to me.
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I posted the numbers yesterday but can't find it, however I remember the winning %.

Pre February 1st Martin's winning % at Tennessee is right at 50%

Post February 1st Martin's winning % at Tennessee is right at 70%

Those numbers don't back up the statement that his teams regress as the season goes on IMO.
 
#103
#103
bleedingTNorange said:
I posted the numbers yesterday but can't find it, however I remember the winning %.

Pre February 1st Martin's winning % at Tennessee is right at 50%

Post February 1st Martin's winning % at Tennessee is right at 70%

Those numbers don't back up the statement that his teams regress as the season goes on IMO.
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No. they regress from game to game.
Maybe you prefer a different word than regression.
Last year this team beat rpi 8 Florida then next game lost to rpi 143 GA.
Beat rpi 42 MZ and 2 games later scored 48 pts against Bama.
Maybe regression isn't the word you need to get the point.
 
#104
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calban said:
No. they regress from game to game.
Maybe you prefer a different word than regression.
Last year this team beat rpi 8 Florida then next game lost to rpi 143 GA.
Beat rpi 42 MZ and 2 games later scored 48 pts against Bama.
Maybe regression isn't the word you need to get the point.
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If they regressed game to game then his win % wouldn't be 70% post February 1st, it would be 50% like it is pre February 1st.

To me what you're posting are exceptions to the rule, that is Martin's teams play better after February 1st. For every example of a bad game I can give you an example of 2 good games, which is something you can't do with Martin in December and January.
 
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#105
#105
bleedingTNorange said:
If they regressed game to game then his win % wouldn't be 70% post February 1st, it would be 50% like it is pre February 1st.

To me what you're posting are exceptions to the rule, that is Martin's teams play better after February 1st. For every example of a bad game I can give you an example of 2 good games, which is something you can't do with Martin in December and January.
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Here's an example of future regression.
In the last game they attacked the defense and only put up 12 3s.
Against VA they'll get frustrated early against the best defense they've seen to date.
They'll start chucking desperation 3s early and you'll see 20-25 3s and a low percentage of shots made.
That's regression from game to game.
 
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calban said:
Here's an example of future regression.
In the last game they attacked the defense and only put up 12 3s.
Against VA they'll get frustrated early against the best defense they've seen to date.
They'll start chucking desperation 3s early and you'll see 20-25 3s and a low percentage of shots made.
That's regression from game to game.
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And the game will be played December 30th, kinda fits my point no?

And I have said how big of a game this is, lose this one and they're in desperation mode.
 
#107
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bleedingTNorange said:
And the game will be played December 30th, kinda fits my point no?

And I have said how big of a game this is, lose this one and they're in desperation mode.
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Here's the kicker.
If they play so well in February, what happens to them in March?
 
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calban said:
Here's the kicker.
If they play so well in February, what happens to them in March?
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That 70% includes march, interesting isn't it?

His teams are better in February/March than in December/January, it's that simple. That's why there was such a big to do about getting off to a better start this year, but it didn't happen.
 
#109
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bleedingTNorange said:
If they regressed game to game then his win % wouldn't be 70% post February 1st, it would be 50% like it is pre February 1st.

To me what you're posting are exceptions to the rule, that is Martin's teams play better after February 1st. For every example of a bad game I can give you an example of 2 good games, which is something you can't do with Martin in December and January.
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Do we improve or is it an indication of just how crappy the SEC has been?
 
#110
#110
bleedingTNorange said:
And the game will be played December 30th, kinda fits my point no?

And I have said how big of a game this is, lose this one and they're in desperation mode.
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Actually, you say get to 20 wins and it doesn't matter. So this game means no more or less than any other game, right?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
With every loss the percentages go down to reach 20, would you not agree? This is simple kindergarten math, even in Kentucky.
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I would have thought so, but apparently you're too stupid to understand losing one game out of our remaining 20 isn't enough of a percentage hit to cause "desperation mode".
I'm not sure about your Kentucky comment-is that where you're from? I use to think you knew what you were talking about. Apparently I was mistaken.
 
#119
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volgrad500 said:
I would have thought so, but apparently you're too stupid to understand losing one game out of our remaining 20 isn't enough of a percentage hit to cause "desperation mode".
I'm not sure about your Kentucky comment-is that where you're from? I use to think you knew what you were talking about. Apparently I was mistaken.
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I'll try to explain this the best way that I can. We are currently 7-4, if we are saying 20-10 is where we need to get, then 13-6 would have to be our remaining record.

Virginia is a home game, one in which we are favored to win. If we were to lose this game and fall to 7-5, we then need to go 13-5 to finish the season in order to reach the above mentioned 20-10 record.

With games @UK, @LSU, UF x2 and Missouri x2 the room for error becomes ice thin with a loss to Virginia Monday, as that only allows for 5 more losses before that goal becomes unattainable.

This isn't some formula where we have 19 games left and each one matters an equal percentage. There's certain games that you can lose and be ok (at Florida), and others that if you lose you really put yourself in a bad spot (home to Virginia).

It's the ole win and advance. Each game we win the room for error increases, the pressure decrease, and the more likely that 20 wins become.
 
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volgrad500 said:
I would have thought so, but apparently you're too stupid to understand losing one game out of our remaining 20 isn't enough of a percentage hit to cause "desperation mode".
I'm not sure about your Kentucky comment-is that where you're from? I use to think you knew what you were talking about. Apparently I was mistaken.
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interesting. BTO and I had a debate and neither resorted to name calling.
You post twice and have to call someone stupid to prove your point.
Now who is stupid?
 
#121
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calban said:
interesting. BTO and I had a debate and neither resorted to name calling.
You post twice and have to call someone stupid to prove your point.
Now who is stupid?
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Mmmmmmm BTO saying it was basic kindergarten math even in Kentucky is pretty much the same exact thing
 
#122
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volbeast33 said:
Mmmmmmm BTO saying it was basic kindergarten math even in Kentucky is pretty much the same exact thing
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Is the OP from Kentucky?

And if you noticed I edited that part out afterwards because I figured it wasn't necessary.

I'm trying to have an actual discussion containing facts and using logic...not another Kwanzo sucks harrrr Pearl he's the best cause daddy said so thread.
 
#124
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'll try to explain this the best way that I can. We are currently 7-4, if we are saying 20-10 is where we need to get, then 13-6 would have to be our remaining record.

Virginia is a home game, one in which we are favored to win. If we were to lose this game and fall to 7-5, we then need to go 13-5 to finish the season in order to reach the above mentioned 20-10 record.

With games @UK, @LSU, UF x2 and Missouri x2 the room for error becomes ice thin with a loss to Virginia Monday, as that only allows for 5 more losses before that goal becomes unattainable.

This isn't some formula where we have 19 games left and each one matters an equal percentage. There's certain games that you can lose and be ok (at Florida), and others that if you lose you really put yourself in a bad spot (home to Virginia).

It's the ole win and advance. Each game we win the room for error increases, the pressure decrease, and the more likely that 20 wins become.
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This is exactly what I and others have been saying. 20 isn't some magic number. It matters who and where those wins are achieved. You are the one who has been arguing that 20 wins is an automatic invite.
 
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