The SEC

#26
#26
BigPapaVol said:
LSU has drilled Oregon twice recently.

Which other conference is lining up OOC games of value? Better yet, which are signing up SEC teams?

Seems to me AL has beaten the living shiz out of PSU, VT and MI in the last couple seasons. LSU similarly playing Oregon. UF keeps playing FSU and UM. Who your Big 12 boys signing up?
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Let's see. Oklahoma has played Florida State, Notre Dame, Miami, and Oregon in the last three years. Texas has played Arkansas and UCLA. In the meantime, Florida plays Citadel and Wofford. Go figure.
 
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#27
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PagingDrVol said:
Let's see. Oklahoma has played Florida State, Notre Dame, Miami, and Oregon in the last three years. Texas has played Arkansas and UCLA. In the meantime, Florida plays Citadel and Wofford. Go figure.
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Kind of funny how you got amnesia about Florida having FSU on the schedule every single year on top of playing Miami intermittently.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Seriously? One off matchups with nothing on the line? You think LSU or UF lose with a title riding?
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It's a lose-lose scenario when they play these games. They just mean so little if your used to playing major teams every week. My first thought about the FSU win last night was that it was cheap victory for a BCS bowl.
 
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I don't really care about SEC pride. However, what I told the Clemson fans was congrats on the win. Now go play Florida next week, Alabama the following week, UT, Ga, USCe, etc. I'm think they got the point that one ball game does not define why the SEC is the toughest conference.
 
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#31
#31
I just don't think the SEC is as strong as it has been in years past...In fact stanford or oregon should have been in the national title game against ND...Bama got in there based on the SEC being such a great no one can beat them conference...the best team in the SEC this year was Texas A&M by the end of the year not bama
 
#32
#32
Right. Amazing how a Big 12 afterthought moved to the SEC and suddenly all it's recruits jumped up two stars each. Then when it walked in and hammered the national champs on their home field suddenly it's players were stronger, faster, and more NFL like than they had been the year before...never mind that they were 75% the same roster that drew so little respect that they were predicted to finish 5th in the west on media day.

Look, the SEC is a good conference, but if you take the top team out , it's no different than the big 12. Telling Clemson to go play Fla, GA, A&M the next week is no different than telling them to go play Texas, Okla, and K State.
 
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PagingDrVol said:
Right. Amazing how a Big 12 afterthought moved to the SEC and suddenly all it's recruits jumped up two stars each. Then when it walked in and hammered the national champs on their home field suddenly it's players were stronger, faster, and more NFL like than they had been the year before...never mind that they were 75% the same roster that drew so little respect that they were predicted to finish 5th in the west on media day.

Look, the SEC is a good conference, but if you take the top team out , it's no different than the big 12. Telling Clemson to go play Fla, GA, A&M the next week is no different than telling them to go play Texas, Okla, and K State.
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You must live a boring life. Being right all the time must make it boring. I am humbly gracious that you are a poster here and I can post in your presence.
 
#36
#36
Les Miles lost the LSU Bowl Game.

Miss Lite wasnt that good to begin with and probablly shouldnt have been ranked as high as they were when we played them.

Florida has been on a downward spiral since mid season. I still say if they had played "Johnny Football" instead of "Johnny Freshman", we'd be 11-1.
 
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Vols4life said:
I just don't think the SEC is as strong as it has been in years past...In fact stanford or oregon should have been in the national title game against ND...Bama got in there based on the SEC being such a great no one can beat them conference...the best team in the SEC this year was Texas A&M by the end of the year not bama
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This. All of this as a matter of fact.
 
#38
#38
As someone who has never enjoyed the whole SEC supremacy thing it's good to see games like last night. Oh, and go Irish.
 
#39
#39
I hope aTm rules the west so the SEC will get away from grandpa ball and make it fun to watch. Anyone who thought last year's laughably boring game between Bama and LSU (the first one not the completely rigged national championship where OSU would have embarrassed either team) was fun to watch should have their head examined. I'm not saying there has to be 100 points scored in a game for it to be interesting but 15? C'mon.

This was readily apparent in the coaching search earlier. "He's not an SEC caliber coach, running a spread versus a pro style" (WTF does that even mean? The NFL is just as pass happy if not more than College).

Defense is great and all, but you have have have to have an offense plain and simple. LSU is almost all defense with some five yards and a cloud of dust. They finally met a team with an offense and nearly lost. They met another and didn't get so lucky. Same thing with Florida. Unfortunately Alabama won't be tested since ND's offense is just as anemic. I know on paper their offenes looks good but it's pretty easy to put up tons of stats against wheretheheck state and idon'tknow tech and Sunseri.
 
#40
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PagingDrVol said:
FIRST: No college coach comes out and just plays around or experiments in a game that will be 1/4 of his team's final game of the career, so that excuse doesn't wash. Anyone who thinks that's what LSU did has no idea what these games mean to the players or coaches (and their university from a financial standpoint). Clueless. And the "no motivation to win" excuse is similarly laughable. There's everything in the world on the line for these players, and everyone involved.

The SEC is truly a paper tiger, with the huge exception of NFL Jr. Alabama. I mean, Northwestern, Michigan, Louisville, Clemson? Seriously? Of those, Clemson is pretty good. GA struggled mightily with a very average Nebraska before pulling away late, and SC needed a miracle to beat 4th best in the BIG10 Michigan.

And the LOL part...these teams are carving up the SEC with the "Big 12 spread" offense that doesn't work against "SEC Speed"...whatever that is. That's right - all four teams run "that offense" that causes coaches not to be SEC worthy during hiring.:ermm:

I'll grant that the top SEC team is often (one of) the best in the nation. But the ever-holy wisdom that SEC speed rules, defense wins championships, etc. is a pure and unadulterated joke in this SEC year. Heck, NEBRASKA hung 30 on USC Jr with their abysmal offense. But we all need to face it - the conference is freeloading off its best team's reputation.

Maybe now the sportswriters will publish honest rankings at the beginning of the 2013 season that don't overinflate the entire conference, which is the only reason all those teams are so high in the first place.

Bama should win. But Ole Miss, A&M, had better keep their end of the deal up, or the secret is out.
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That's a lot of stock you put in bowl season. The authority with which you speak doesn't change that you don't know dick about the topic. If you did, turnovers and game plan would have entered the conversation.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
I hope aTm rules the west so the SEC will get away from grandpa ball and make it fun to watch. Anyone who thought last year's laughably boring game between Bama and LSU (the first one not the completely rigged national championship where OSU would have embarrassed either team) was fun to watch should have their head examined. I'm not saying there has to be 100 points scored in a game for it to be interesting but 15? C'mon.

This was readily apparent in the coaching search earlier. "He's not an SEC caliber coach, running a spread versus a pro style" (WTF does that even mean? The NFL is just as pass happy if not more than College).

Defense is great and all, but you have have have to have an offense plain and simple. LSU is almost all defense with some five yards and a cloud of dust. They finally met a team with an offense and nearly lost. They met another and didn't get so lucky. Same thing with Florida. Unfortunately Alabama won't be tested since ND's offense is just as anemic. I know on paper their offenes looks good but it's pretty easy to put up tons of stats against wheretheheck state and idon'tknow tech and Sunseri.
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Did you watch any UT games this past season?
 
#43
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bmfcox said:
Did you watch any UT games this past season?
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Wait for it, here comes the comment about how our offense wasn't even really that good. It will probably contain something about Bray's lack of leadership, poor decision making, and "California-ness" that caused us to lose all those games.
 
#45
#45
vol_in_ar said:
if the SEC is showing it's true colors, what's the Big 10 doing? at 2-5
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1. No one is touting the Big 10 as a great league, or even a good league.

2. Two of the top three teams in the Big 10 are not in bowl games. Of course, that does not automatically entail a better record for the Big 10, but it would entail completely different matchups.

I think that the upper tier of the PAC-12 and the SEC are on par with each other; and, I think that the rest of the members of said conferences are absolutely average and would do no better or worse in the Big 10 or the Big XII.
 
#46
#46
DarthVisor said:
I think some of you are neglecting the fact that LSU and UF didn't give the first damn about their bowl games.
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LSU didn't come out flat...miles just went miles and cost his team the game...UF didn't neglect their game Louisville just smashed them in the mouth...if UF didn't care they wouldn't have tried to knock all the Louisville players out with hard hits at the start of the game
 
#47
#47
Vols4life said:
LSU didn't come out flat...miles just went miles and cost his team the game...UF didn't neglect their game Louisville just smashed them in the mouth...if UF didn't care they wouldn't have tried to knock all the Louisville players out with hard hits at the start of the game
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Nope. Teams do not care about meaningless bowl games. Further, teams do not care about getting to meaningless bowl games. Teams only care about conference and national titles. Thus, Florida was playing Florida State with a shot at still making the national championship game, FSU had already locked up the ACC, was by any reasonable standard not going to make the BCS championship game, and was not playing for anything. Thus, Florida's win over FSU meant nothing.

Clemson and South Carolina were both playing for nothing, and, hence, that game was meaningless.

I guess that unless a conference game has conference championship implications, it is meaningless; and, unless a non-conference game has national championship implications, it is meaningless.
 
#48
#48
I can see where Trut is coming from. Bowl games are not the best measuring stick to determine how good a team can be. Alot of what takes place is a celbratory few weeks of the past season's accomplishments for the players. The coaches use it as additional practice time and an opportunity to install new packages, use new personelle, ect ect. The fans on the other hand, still for some reason, view it as a crowning acheivment. Unless its a BCSNC, its nothing more than bragging rights.

Besides; do any of you honestly think that Florida's loss and LSU's loss will prevent them from being in the preseason top 5? Top 10? The SEC has had a middle of the pack to poor showing this bowl season, but I'd bet the ranch that before kick off next season, at least 4 SEC teams are in the top 10. And one will be ranked first win or lose in their bowl game.
 
#49
#49
and I know I'll sound like a homer here, but the only two SEC Bowl games that have any "real" implications are still yet to be played. One of them is tonight. The other is on Monday.

Its time to put this Big12 v SEC crap to bed, and Im confident Sumlin and #2 will do just that.
 
#50
#50
I guess a lot of you are forgetting the last week of the college football season when people are in rhythm and playing hard and fla smoked FSU , USCjr beat up on CU, UGA beat GT and Vandy destroyed Wake. These bowl games are all about who shows up and prepares.
 
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