The shut down thread

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Septic said:
The flaw isn't in the methodology or the results, it's how the end user interprets the data. As stated, the polls were about 1% off from the final results and well within the MoE. Astonishingly accurate for what it represented. You wouldn't be mad at the Cessna for not being able to fly you to the moon, would you?

Digressing.... pointing at the trumps plummeting approval ratings has nothing to do with an untestable electoral college - it's a snapshot of opinions in time.
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The polls were not out of whack. The presentation of them were, they are essentially useless except in the attempt to influence "undecideds" to vote for candidate A because everyone wants to be on the winning side.

Presidential election polling and the display of should reflect the EC.

Edit: IMO approval rating are even more useless than nationwide polls.
 
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Septic said:
I'm sure you'll think it'd be hilarious for thousands of people to lose their jobs. Whatever though, as long as the dems get pissed - right?
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I’ve been thru a RIF before, got rid of people eligible for retirement and dead weights. Don’t even believe they won’t get paid, they will thru severance pay. I’ve known people that actually came out better after a RIF. It’s nothing more than a reduction in federal employment and those open slots are frozen.
 
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AirVol said:
Trump didn’t make those laws.

There will be a RIF after the 30 days, book it and the Dims will come unglued. Gonna be fun to watch.
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My goodness, you're going to be disappointed. Congrats on being sucked in and being complicit in spreading fake news.

Federal statute requires agencies to take reduction-in-force (RiF) action against employees who have been furloughed for 30 days or more, but that only applies in administrative furloughs, “a planned event by an agency which is designed to absorb reductions necessitated by downsizing, reduced funding, lack of work, or any budget situation other than a lapse in appropriations.”

Furloughs of federal workers as a result of lapses in appropriation are called “emergency furloughs.” According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, reduction-in-force regulations don’t apply in such events:

“Reductions in force (RIF) furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements are not applicable to emergency shutdown furloughs because the ultimate duration of an emergency shutdown furlough is unknown at the outset and is dependent entirely on Congressional action, rather than agency action. The RIF furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements, on the other hand, contemplate planned, foreseeable, money-saving furloughs that, at the outset, are planned to exceed 30 days.”

As of this writing on 17 January 2019, the federal government is entering its 27th day of partial shutdown, the longest in U.S. history, and the result of an impasse reached between President Donald Trump and Democratic members of Congress over Trump’s demand to include $5.7 billion in appropriations for new U.S.-Mexico border-wall construction. The shutdown has resulted in 800,000 federal employees going without pay, thousands of whom who have been ordered back to work anyway.

Sources
  • Haslett, Cheyenne. “On Day 25 of Longest-Ever Government Shutdown, 800,000 Federal Employees Are Without Pay.”
    ABC News. 15 January 2019.
  • Haslett, Cheyenne. “Tens of Thousands More Federal Employees Called Back to Work as Government Shutdown Reaches Day 27.”
    ABC News. 17 January 2019.
  • Pengelly, Martin, and Laughland, Oliver. “Trump Rejects Lindsey Graham’s Proposal to Reopen Government.”
    The Guardian. 14 January 2019.
  • U.S. Office of Personnel Management. “Guidance for Shutdown Furloughs.”
    September 2015.
  • U.S. Office of Personnel Management. “Pay & Leave; Furlough Guidance.”
  • U.S. Office of Personnel Management. “Workforce Restructuring; Reduction in Force.”
 
#2,604
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Septic said:
My goodness, you're going to be disappointed. Congrats on being sucked in and being complicit in spreading fake news.

Federal statute requires agencies to take reduction-in-force (RiF) action against employees who have been furloughed for 30 days or more, but that only applies in administrative furloughs, “a planned event by an agency which is designed to absorb reductions necessitated by downsizing, reduced funding, lack of work, or any budget situation other than a lapse in appropriations.”


Furloughs of federal workers as a result of lapses in appropriation are called “emergency furloughs.” According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, reduction-in-force regulations don’t apply in such events:

“Reductions in force (RIF) furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements are not applicable to emergency shutdown furloughs because the ultimate duration of an emergency shutdown furlough is unknown at the outset and is dependent entirely on Congressional action, rather than agency action. The RIF furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements, on the other hand, contemplate planned, foreseeable, money-saving furloughs that, at the outset, are planned to exceed 30 days.”

As of this writing on 17 January 2019, the federal government is entering its 27th day of partial shutdown, the longest in U.S. history, and the result of an impasse reached between President Donald Trump and Democratic members of Congress over Trump’s demand to include $5.7 billion in appropriations for new U.S.-Mexico border-wall construction. The shutdown has resulted in 800,000 federal employees going without pay, thousands of whom who have been ordered back to work anyway.

Sources
  • Haslett, Cheyenne. “On Day 25 of Longest-Ever Government Shutdown, 800,000 Federal Employees Are Without Pay.”
    ABC News. 15 January 2019.
  • Haslett, Cheyenne. “Tens of Thousands More Federal Employees Called Back to Work as Government Shutdown Reaches Day 27.”
    ABC News. 17 January 2019.
  • Pengelly, Martin, and Laughland, Oliver. “Trump Rejects Lindsey Graham’s Proposal to Reopen Government.”
    The Guardian. 14 January 2019.
  • U.S. Office of Personnel Management. “Guidance for Shutdown Furloughs.”
    September 2015.
  • U.S. Office of Personnel Management. “Pay & Leave; Furlough Guidance.”
  • U.S. Office of Personnel Management. “Workforce Restructuring; Reduction in Force.”
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Stay tuned
 
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The largest single group of asylum seekers ever to cross into the U.S. tunneled beneath the border wall near San Luis, Arizona, on Monday, voluntarily turning themselves into Customs and Border Protection, according to the agency.
Migrants can be seen marching toward Border Patrol agents by the hundreds, according to video obtained by ABC News. Smugglers dug a series of seven holes, only a few feet long beneath the steel border fence, with hundreds going beneath the wall and a smaller number clambering over it, according to CBP.

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-c...tunnels-border-wall-arizona/story?id=60462672
 
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Mick said:
The largest single group of asylum seekers ever to cross into the U.S. tunneled beneath the border wall near San Luis, Arizona, on Monday, voluntarily turning themselves into Customs and Border Protection, according to the agency.
Migrants can be seen marching toward Border Patrol agents by the hundreds, according to video obtained by ABC News. Smugglers dug a series of seven holes, only a few feet long beneath the steel border fence, with hundreds going beneath the wall and a smaller number clambering over it, according to CBP.

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-c...tunnels-border-wall-arizona/story?id=60462672
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LOL at ABC News "asylum seekers" sure they are.
 
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Fyi come February more agencies will start shutting down if the government is not reopened. I believe the entire DOT is only funded until Jan 30th..I am sure there are many other agencies in similiar boats.
 
#2,610
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There wont be a reduction in force because of the furloughs if they go over 30 days. Most people are still working, just not being paid unlike me..who is sitting at home chilling, waiting for that big back pay.
 
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It’s really interesting reading the Clinton News Network’s mobile Page right now on how they’re attacking Trumps “childish” reply to Pelosi on her trip while they totally ignored her stupid ass security claim on postponing the SOTU address. All of the people are reading both sides of this.


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Orange_Vol1321 said:
All this woe is me for the people temporarily off work yet I have not seen one peep out of you concerned over American citizens that has been killed by illegals.
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Is there a thread for that? Start one and I'll come peep.
 
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For the record, Pelosi can't keep The State of the Union from happening and actually Trump can adjourn both Houses at any time he wants.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
For the record, Pelosi can't keep The State of the Union happening and actually Trump can adjourn both Houses at any time he wants.
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He should totally do that. Burn it down, he's going to be a shoo-in in 2020 with these kinds of receipts.
 
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