The "Somebody get Z out of Ohio in the snowstorm" WSU Postgame Report

#26
#26
Stoked4Zo said:
That's because Barton is a sg. I thought the same thing during the game that Thompson should start.
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Thompson really impressed me in this game. He didn't flinch against some tough defense in a hostile environment. I wouldn't have thought I would be wanting him to play over Barton this early in the season.
 
#27
#27
Davis played well for about 3 minutes in the first half. Stokes played well for about 45 seconds in the second half. Outside of that, only Mcrae played well for any length of time.

Where the hell was everybody else?
 
#28
#28
7thgroupvolfan said:
Davis played well for about 3 minutes in the first half. Stokes played well for about 45 seconds in the second half. Outside of that, only Mcrae played well for any length of time.

Where the hell was everybody else?
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Davis was looking good before getting in foul trouble. He's been putting things together pretty quickly this year.
 
#29
#29
SJAVol32 said:
That's on Maymon. Thought he had a clear layup and got lazy.
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Agree. Should have dunked it. If he did that, he either would have made it, made it + foul, or missed, but gotten fouled in the process. A layup was unnecessarily putting the ball in the air off the glass where there is more margin for error that didn't need to happen. That was a 5pt swing, and the play that changed the game for good.

But, then you could make the case that UT should have enough vets out there to not let that play change the game for good, but I digress.
 
#31
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Orange to the Bay said:
Agree. Should have dunked it. If he did that, he either would have made it, made it + foul, or missed, but gotten fouled in the process. A layup was unnecessarily putting the ball in the air off the glass where there is more margin for error that didn't need to happen. That was a 5pt swing, and the play that changed the game for good.

But, then you could make the case that UT should have enough vets out there to not let that play change the game for good, but I digress.
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He can't jump like he used to doubt he would have dunked it, but when the ball came down the court it was Hubbs down there so it was a hard play for him.
 
#32
#32
Orange to the Bay said:
Agree. Should have dunked it. If he did that, he either would have made it, made it + foul, or missed, but gotten fouled in the process. A layup was unnecessarily putting the ball in the air off the glass where there is more margin for error that didn't need to happen. That was a 5pt swing, and the play that changed the game for good.

But, then you could make the case that UT should have enough vets out there to not let that play change the game for good, but I digress.
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IMO that play more than any other single possession changed this game. He took about 5 years to get his layup on the glass. If he'd just gone up quick and dunked the outcome is a lot different like you said, and the transition 3 on the other end doesn't happen. It was a huge momentum swing that we never reversed.
 
#34
#34
Same old same old every time we lose on the road. You could basically keep the same post game report , condensed version:

1. Missed FT's
2. Front court ( Stokes and Maymon) didn't show up
3. McRae keeps us from getting totally embarrassed since no one else showed up
4. Richardson, well, he's just Richardson. .
5. No clue on how to attack a zone defense
6. Refs screwed us numerous times and changed the momentum with T call on Jordy's dunk
7. No quality OOC wins for the third year in a row means NIT IF we slip up and lose to any of the SEC bottom tier teams
 
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#35
#35
jjay2518 said:
Thompson really impressed me in this game. He didn't flinch against some tough defense in a hostile environment. I wouldn't have thought I would be wanting him to play over Barton this early in the season.
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Wow...the guy was incredibly soft and refused to dive on the floor for loose balls. You will not beat a team like that if your PG is not physically tough.
 
#37
#37
Shocker fan here (I hope you don't mind) -

Why do some of you think the Vols were more talented? I think McCrae was the best athlete on the court, but after him WSU was as good or better athletically. WSU was certainly quicker. WSU with six steals and six blocks and outrebounded UT by 5.

FWIW, the messages here look just like the WSU board after a loss.

At the risk of sounding too patronizing, clearly UT is good and is a tourney-type of team. Outside of Rupp, there won't be too many SEC road games as touch as today, will there?

Good luck the rest of the way. Oh, Marshall is now 6-4 vs Martin.
 
#39
#39
SJAVol32 said:
He doesn't need plays. A PG that can pass the ball over top of defenses and get in passing lanes.
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Just saying that in our halfcourt offense, the first pass is to the wing and the ball is out of the pgs hands immediately. Wich st has it in their pgs hands the whole gamez running pick and roll isolations, etc. Haven't seen cm let his pgs do that one time and try to make a play.
 
#40
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pvtlamb said:
Shocker fan here (I hope you don't mind) -

Why do some of you think the Vols were more talented? I think McCrae was the best athlete on the court, but after him WSU was as good or better athletically. WSU was certainly quicker. WSU with six steals and six blocks and outrebounded UT by 5.

FWIW, the messages here look just like the WSU board after a loss.

At the risk of sounding too patronizing, clearly UT is good and is a tourney-type of team. Outside of Rupp, there won't be too many SEC road games as touch as today, will there?

Good luck the rest of the way. Oh, Marshall is now 6-4 vs Martin.
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Good post, however, TN is very talented, we just don't have a coach that can game plan or make in game changes to win games like this. We have been watching it for 3 years now. Reverse coaches today and UT wins by 6-8 points. Talent wise, I will say WSU is very talented , however, your best player was playing on a bum ankle. Our frontcourt( Stokes and Maymon) should have outplayed WSU in the paint but neither showed up today. We are just frustrated fans in need of a good coach. Good luck the rest of the season.
 
#41
#41
zjcvols said:
1. Tennessee had a chance for a golden opportunity to win a huge game on the road and get a signature out of conference win but couldn't do it. They lost their composure and two or three plays really made the difference.

2. The decision to not attack the half court press/zone was stupid and indefensible. Martin has to adjust to that and he didn't. It cost UT the game.

3. Free throws. I don't want to look them, nor will I.

4. Jarnell Stokes took a step back today. He did not play like he needed to for Tennessee win. Neither did Maymon. Tennessee had to have solid games from both and neither won played like they could have.

5. The technical on Jordan McRae and the no call on the block on Maymon were two of the worst calls you will see on the collegiate level. Not coincidentally, it cost Tennessee five points. That kind of **** should not be accepted on the college level.

6. I thought the defense was pretty solid against a usually good offensive team. They did a good job funneling the help. But when WSU started going one on one in the post, it caused problems.

7. Bernard King Player of the Game: What can you say about Jordan McRae? He played his ass off and was the only one that showed up.

8. A.J. Davis provided really solid minutes, but foul trouble did him in. I wonder had him and Stokes not got in foul trouble how different this game would have been.

9. I don't understand why Martin didn't go through the high post against the zone defense. It's worked before and it would have worked today. That was horrible coaching.

10. Top ten road wins are really hard to get. Had UT played 5% better, they would have won. The coaching could have been better. The players made some dumb plays. If you want to win on the road, you can't have that. The effort was there. UT competed. This loss will have minimal impact on their tourney chances if they play solid during conference play and take care of business out of conference at home.
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1. Yet again, we won't have a signature road out of conference win in year 3. That's inexcusable.

2. Martin's in game coaching is horrible. Which tells me what I already knew. I've said this a couple of times already this year. Anyone that watches basketball should already know what kind of coach we have in Martin. You know deep down he is an average X's and O's coach at best. We can do better and should demand better. He has to win the winnable games and steal a few to get into the tourney. I don't know if he has it in him.

3. I will. 15-24. This team is not a "Tougher Breed". Sh*tcan the stupid clichés and just play basketball. This team is not tough and the coach is a below average bench coach.

4. Stokes goes MIA about every 4-5 games. It's usually when we go up against a superior coach who knows how to coach. Stokes may make a roster in the NBA. However, he better develop an outside shot. He will get owned under the basket. He isn't quick, he has average hands and his jumping ability is average at best.

5. This is one of my biggest pet peeves with Martin. At some point, you have to fight for your team. When was the last time you saw Martin fighting to get calls? He says the occasional thing to the refs, but rarely is he animated enough to get a call to go his way. He lets the refs walk all over him. That usually means he doesn't have the refs' respect. That's pathetic.

We had better talent. We didn't have the better coach. When you shoot free throws the way this team does, you have to play better on the road to pull out road wins against good teams. When you have a coach that is not a good in game coach then you have to play even better.

J-Rich and Stokes didn't play well. Barton was basically a no show. If there's one positive out of the game, it's that the freshmen class looks to be pretty good and will be fun to watch in the coming years. I don't think Martin will be the one coaching them though.
 
#42
#42
It's becoming apparent why Barton couldn't get enough minutes in Memphis. Also, our resume is in worse shape than at this point last year, and the SEC doesn't appear to be able to provide much of a boost. IMO we better win one against the conference big boys or we will be NIT bound.
 
#43
#43
pvtlamb said:
Shocker fan here (I hope you don't mind) -

Why do some of you think the Vols were more talented? I think McCrae was the best athlete on the court, but after him WSU was as good or better athletically. WSU was certainly quicker. WSU with six steals and six blocks and outrebounded UT by 5.

FWIW, the messages here look just like the WSU board after a loss.

At the risk of sounding too patronizing, clearly UT is good and is a tourney-type of team. Outside of Rupp, there won't be too many SEC road games as touch as today, will there?

Good luck the rest of the way. Oh, Marshall is now 6-4 vs Martin.
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Match up head-to-head. UT has better talent. They don't have the better coach.
 
#45
#45
volgrad500 said:
It's becoming apparent why Barton couldn't get enough minutes in Memphis. Also, our resume is in worse shape than at this point last year, and the SEC doesn't appear to be able to provide much of a boost. IMO we better win one against the conference big boys or we will be NIT bound.
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Yeah, we can't do things like get swept by UGA this year and get in. We're in worse shape at this point of the season this year than we were last year. We definitely still completely control our own destiny, but we have to win all the games we're supposed to win a probably a couple we're not supposed to win.
 
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#46
#46
Good post, OP. Basketball analysis is your thing.

I wanted Zo to make it here. Into his third season I do not see the growth as a floor coach. I do not see the recruiting either. No shot blocking presence in the paint that a 6'10" true center that starts would provide. That enables the rest to push their D out to guard the 3 and funnel any drivers into the shot blocker. I see only one true scorer on the floor and he is a Pearl recruit. I see Thompson as the only true option he has at PG and he is truly a combo.

I see pathetic FT shooting season after season. I see pathetic misses on lay ups and crip shots season after season. Other than McCrae I see nobody that consistently can make, or even take at times, a 12-15' jumper - much less create offense. As others have stated - very few iso's, P&R's, etc.

Same old same old.
 
#47
#47
Vols4us said:
Good post, OP. Basketball analysis is your thing.

I wanted Zo to make it here. Into his third season I do not see the growth as a floor coach. I do not see the recruiting either. No shot blocking presence in the paint that a 6'10" true center that starts would provide. That enables the rest to push their D out to guard the 3 and funnel any drivers into the shot blocker. I see only one true scorer on the floor and he is a Pearl recruit. I see Thompson as the only true option he has at PG and he is truly a combo.

I see pathetic FT shooting season after season. I see pathetic misses on lay ups and crip shots season after season. Other than McCrae I see nobody that consistently can make, or even take at times, a 12-15' jumper - much less create offense. As others have stated - very few iso's, P&R's, etc.

Same old same old.
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Thompson is far from a combo guard. He's pass first.
 
#48
#48
Fortunately, the money-bags boosters in Knoxville see what Cuonzo is doing, and not doing, and will not sit still for the embarrassment that this team has become any longer than absolutely necessary. They all have Dave Hart on speed-dial.
 
#49
#49
We had a real good shot at taking this one. Have to agree with OP assessment.

Shockers have some quality shooters to be sure - we needed to match that with inside baskets and FTs
 
#50
#50
Serious question: Can Maymon get off the floor and dunk the ball? I can't ever remember him doing that.
 
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