The State of the Union Speech..

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TXA&M07

TXA&M07

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Rate it on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being high).

Im interested to see what yall thought.


and ..........GO!
 
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I only heard some clips from the speech so I cannot give it a grade. From what I heard though it sounded like he was trying to appeal to the average American who is opposed to his initiatives where health care is concerned. I found it odd that these statements seemed to contradict many of the statements he made as recently as those made post Mass special elections.
 
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best part - Republicans laughing at him for his "overwhelming evidence of global warming" remark.
 
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both ends of the spectrum thus far. Do either of you care to elaborate?
 
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Points.


Seemed willing to listen to alternative measures on health care. Stating if you have a better ideal show me.

Promised tax credits on small business who invest in equipment or who hire new employees. To eliminate the Capital gains tax for companies.

Said he was issuing a executive order, were the senate had failed to create a bipartisan commission on job creation.

Dared the opposition to create a culture of a needing super majority to pass anything.

Mocked the opposition when he stated that the proposed Budget freeze would start next year (after snickers) said that's how budgeting works.


Taking it upon his self to meet with the republican caucus every month.


Absolutely skewered Washington's political culture. stating that he was talking to both parties (with some noticeable miffedness) when he did so.
 
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It was a pretty partisan speech and talked in platitudes, not that I'm really surprised. He continues to promise transparency, but if health care is any indication it's "just words." He blamed Bush for the $1.3 trillion deficit, when he is personally responsible for $700 - $800 bn of it. I liked his talk on removing capital gains tax for investing in small businesses, that's a good first step, but I'll believe it when I see it. Overall I would give him a 3. I don't really think he believes half the things he said after seeing his first year in office.
 
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What really puzzles me is that after the MA debacle, he comes out dropping some social engineering concepts of the Left. Paralleling 1994, Clinton went for fringe social change plus healthcare and got schooled. He then returned to the middle. Obama clearly did not learn his lesson and is still sliding leftward. Politics 101 - when your credibility is already in question, avoid social issues altogether. DADT is something he should avoid altogether at this point in time. Whether you agree with it or not, it is stupid politics to start making changes in controversial political subjects especially when the recipient of said policy is stretched thin and engaged globally.

He offered nothing of major substance to address the issues affecting the country as a whole. A few cuts here, a panel there. Axelrod and Plouffe better do something quickly or this November will be a massacre.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Points.


Seemed willing to listen to alternative measures on health care. Stating if you have a better ideal show me.

Promised tax credits on small business who invest in equipment or who hire new employees. To eliminate the Capital gains tax for companies.

Said he was issuing a executive order, were the senate had failed to create a bipartisan commission on job creation.

Dared the opposition to create a culture of a needing super majority to pass anything.

Mocked the opposition when he stated that the proposed Budget freeze would start next year (after snickers) said that's how budgeting works.


Taking it upon his self to meet with the republican caucus every month.


Absolutely skewered Washington's political culture. stating that he was talking to both parties (with some noticeable miffedness) when he did so.
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If it is all BS, it doesn't count. In fact, his health care comments were in conflict with things he said just a week ago.
 
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any thoughts on his points on public education. ie:
10k tax credit,

putting more emphasis in revitilizng community colleges,

allowing incentives to those who go to work for the Gov upon graduation,

focus on math and science,

and lastly from the top of my head, his comment about "A high school diploma no longer means you'll have a good job." paraphrased of course..

thoughts on those?
 
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Looking at the job market here in ATL, I'd say an MBA doesn't guarantee you a job either. Degrees are great but do not always help. The labor pool here is full of higher degrees. When you have a policy that runs off companies to other countries or makes them desire outsourcing, what good is it to have 10% unemployed all with BA's and MBA's? Add to the fact that getting degrees take time. What good does that do for the person drawing unemployment now?

Point is, this is wonderful if the economy was fine. But what does this do to appeal to those with no job? How does this sound to those out of work or working two jobs to pay the bills? "Great. I can go to school, get a degree, and get a tax credit. But when do I find time for that?"
 
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TXVOL07 said:
any thoughts on his points on public education. ie:
10k tax credit,

putting more emphasis in revitilizng community colleges,

allowing incentives to those who go to work for the Gov upon graduation,

focus on math and science,

and lastly from the top of my head, his comment about "A high school diploma no longer means you'll have a good job." paraphrased of course..

thoughts on those?
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That has been the position of every president, fitting to the era of course. I have heard variations of this for all of my life. national, local, businesses, hell the guy on the street knows it needs to be done. All i have ever seen on this amounts to baby steps compared to what needs to be done.

I would like to hear a short thesis on this from volinbham and a few others on hear that have confessed to being educators.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Points.


Seemed willing to listen to alternative measures on health care. Stating if you have a better ideal show me.

** what a crock. He doesn't want anything but a public option. Moreover, his base assumption that a government solution is necessary makes him unqualified to be even a dumbass senator, much less president. **


Promised tax credits on small business who invest in equipment or who hire new employees. To eliminate the Capital gains tax for companies.

**. Senseless, since his FED and FDIC have removed all credit from the market. Nobody's making capital investment, to include real hiring. **

Said he was issuing a executive order, were the senate had failed to create a bipartisan commission on job creation.

**. Great. Another horeshat DC circle jerk **


Dared the opposition to create a culture of a needing super majority to pass anything.

** if you're dumb enough to buy any comments from this uberliberal clown regarding bipartisanship, you deserve him. **


Mocked the opposition when he stated that the proposed Budget freeze would start next year (after snickers) said that's how budgeting works.

** says the moron that gave us stimulus. Forgive everyone if they don't buy his garbage budget talk as he's cruising to a 1.35 trillion deficit next year. **


Taking it upon his self to meet with the republican caucus every month.

** hook us up with those meeting notes. Best I've heard, he gloats about being president. Productivity at its finest. next meeting he has that isn't lipservice with be his first. **


Absolutely skewered Washington's political culture. stating that he was talking to both parties (with some noticeable miffedness) when he did so.
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see **

as to the last point, MFing please. he's a product of that idiotic culture. The clown has voted kneejerk liberal at every turn. GTFO.
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
When has he ever done this? It's been his position through out his political career.
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He is a product of the political machine, acting as if he's some sort of outsider is beyond idiotic.

It may have been his stated position but you can't really believe that can you?
 
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VolInMn said:
Obama could put us 50 billion dollars in the black and personally find a cure for cancer and BPV would dislike him. ;)
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Don't kid yourself. The guy is an empty suit, but if he does something worthwhile, I'll be happy with it. The guy is a financial idiot. Until he proves otherwise, that's what he is.
 
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VolInMn said:
Obama could put us 50 billion dollars in the black and personally find a cure for cancer and BPV would still dislike him. ;)
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That's just the point, he is not putting us in the black and his policies are cancerous to future growth. If things were different perhaps BPV would have a different opinion.
 
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