The stupidity of these people is matched only by their fervor

[MUR73]

Well, you do have the power to re-elect him. Although, I kinda wish he wouldn't run for a second term. Rather than focusing on his religion, why not focus on his policies?

Well, ok then.....his policies suck.

 

[MUR73]

First, all Christians are obliged to spread the Good Word, as well.

Second, how big is this "significant number" of Muslims will affirm that they have a "mandate" to use violence to do so? And what is your source for that number?

Third, are you not mixing a "mandate" to use violence to "spread" the Muslim faith with terrorists who are faithful in their religion and draw strength from that but who are motivated by politics?[/QUOTE]

LG, just where area all this peace loving, American flag-waving , love every body , regadless of faith Muslims at? I have seen plenty of other kind. Even the nonviolent ones do not seem very interested in Coexisting with the evil Zionists.

 

[MG1968]

I don't really care about Obama's faith, or his lack of faith. He's a little too sympathetic with Israel's enemies, but most liberals are. The religion of one man isn't going to change America. George W. wore his faith on his sleeve, but the US didn't turn into a theocracy.

It's Obama's policies, particularly economic ones, that are scary and wrong.

 

[NEO]

First, all Christians are obliged to spread the Good Word, as well.

Second, how big is this "significant number" of Muslims will affirm that they have a "mandate" to use violence to do so? And what is your source for that number?

Third, are you not mixing a "mandate" to use violence to "spread" the Muslim faith with terrorists who are faithful in their religion and draw strength from that but who are motivated by politics?

Where are the large groups of Muslims rising up against the "extremist" and calling them out? Where are these lines of leaders coming out to condemn the actions of the Muslims who are killing in the name of Jihad?

 

[MG1968]

Where are the large groups of Muslims rising up against the "extremist" and calling them out? Where are these lines of leaders coming out to condemn the actions of the Muslims who are killing in the name of Jihad?

I've wondered many times about the lack of a Muslim "Ghandi".

 

[IPorange]

It's pretty simple: Obama eats bacon. He isn't Muslim.

 

[lawgator1]

I think people tend to overlook the obvious religous bias of Obama that seems to be most public - none at all.

If he leans either way - Christian or Muslim - it is in name only and none in practice. His public demeanor seems to simply not care about religion except when his job requires him to.

Other than that one sentence he says he flubbed in the interview I've not seen anything overtly Muslim in his words or actions. Sure, the rabid right claim to detect it in there, somewhere, but they have to reach pretty far to for it and they aren't very convincing about it.

Overall, I think you are right. He's Christian, but by no means is he devout or driven by it.

I don't think religion motivates him in the least.

 

[IPorange]

Muslims don't hold beer summits.

 

[MG1968]

Muslims don't hold beer summits.

more muslims drink alcohol than you think. They're like Baptists in that regard.

 

[IPorange]

Don't get me started on religion, MG. Bunch of hypocrites. Muslims, as much as any.

 

[milohimself]

more muslims drink alcohol than you think. They're like Baptists in that regard.

I personally don't know any who drink.

Besides... A sizable number of the founding fathers probably didn't even believe in Christ, and others were pretty clearly influenced by Deist ideology.

Bottom line is that makes them un-Christian. As long as the US government doesn't align itself with any particular religion, I don't really care if the POTUS is Christian, Deist, Muslim, Buddhist, Shinto, Taoist or even a Scientologist (well, maybe Scientologist). I will judge him by his actions and his actions alone.

 

[utvolpj]

while in AZ I used to watch CFB games with a Muslim guy who was an Auburn fan. He came to hang out with the UT alum club since the AU one met too far away. He definitely drank (as long as he wasn't fasting). Interesting guy though

 

[lawgator1]

I personally don't know any who drink.

Besides... A sizable number of the founding fathers probably didn't even believe in Christ, and others were pretty clearly influenced by Deist ideology.

Bottom line is that makes them un-Christian. As long as the US government doesn't align itself with any particular religion, I don't really care if the POTUS is Christian, Deist, Muslim, Buddhist, Shinto, Taoist or even a Scientologist (well, maybe Scientologist). I will judge him by his actions and his actions alone.

The problem is that you have this rabid bunch of conspiracy theorists who think that Obama is in cahoots with freakin' Al-Qaeda or Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood to bring about the end of America.

And its not a small number, look at that Fox News focus group. What is so alarming is that they are so vicious about it. They do not temper their comments at all, they show no interest in debating it. They have just made up their minds and they hate him with a passion because they've bought into the hysteria on it.

 

[droski]

The problem is that you have this rabid bunch of conspiracy theorists who think that Obama is in cahoots with freakin' Al-Qaeda or Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood to bring about the end of America.

Link?

i think most are concerned he is massively sympathetic to muslims which so far appears to be accurate.

 

[milohimself]

while in AZ I used to watch CFB games with a Muslim guy who was an Auburn fan. He came to hang out with the UT alum club since the AU one met too far away. He definitely drank (as long as he wasn't fasting). Interesting guy though

Hm. A little unusual. My neighborhood and part of town is in the middle of one of the larger pockets of Muslim population in the US, and I also have a couple friends I hang out with regularly who are from UAE (and all of them are looooaaaaaded). None drink.

 

[NEO]

Nobody thinks he's in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood or any "extremist group.

Cahoots with the Weather Underground members? Yes. You'd have to blind to think he's not.

Your leap is a huge one.

 

[MUR73]

I personally don't know any who drink.

Besides... A sizable number of the founding fathers probably didn't even believe in Christ, and others were pretty clearly influenced by Deist ideology.Bottom line is that makes them un-Christian. As long as the US government doesn't align itself with any particular religion, I don't really care if the POTUS is Christian, Deist, Muslim, Buddhist, Shinto, Taoist or even a Scientologist (well, maybe Scientologist). I will judge him by his actions and his actions alone.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755

That is a falicy actually contrived and cooked up by progressives just after the turn of the last century.Just click on the link and read the actual words of our Forefathers, not some Liberal professors spin on them.
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755
Enjoy the FACTS.

 

[lawgator1]

Link?

i think most are concerned he is massively sympathetic to muslims which so far appears to be accurate.

What is meant by "massively sympathetic?" If you mean that he is not willing to base his foreign policy on grand suppositions and assumption about a billion people based on their fringe terroristic elements, okay. If you mean he won't fight the actual terrorists on their home court in Afghanistan, the facts prove otherwise. If you mean he won't pointlessly try to interfere in Egypt's internal turmoil, at least publicly,okay.

Nobody thinks he's in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood or any "extremist group.

Cahoots with the Weather Underground members? Yes. You'd have to blind to think he's not.

Your leap is a huge one.

Yes they do. Watch them. Look at how they practically leap out of their seats, wild eyed and irrationally adamant that he's lying when he says he's Christian and that he is affirmatively basing his policy on being Muslim. They said it. Its right there in the video.

 

[MUR73]

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers on Jesus, Christianity and the Bible

That is a falicy actually contrived and cooked up by progressives just after the turn of the last century.Just click on the link and read the actual words of our Forefathers, not some Liberal professors spin on them.
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755
Enjoy the FACTS.

P.S. notice the footnotes of references provided below the quotes so it is not someones opinion/interpretation of what was said its their actual words.

 

[milohimself]

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers on Jesus, Christianity and the Bible

That is a falicy actually contrived and cooked up by progressives just after the turn of the last century.Just click on the link and read the actual words of our Forefathers, not some Liberal professors spin on them.
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755
Enjoy the FACTS.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's Lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.

...

I grew convinc'd that truth, sincerity and integrity in dealings between man and man were of the utmost importance to the felicity of life; and I form'd written resolutions, which still remain in my journal book, to practice them ever while I lived. Revelation had indeed no weight with me, as such; but I entertain'd an opinion that, though certain actions might not be bad because they were forbidden by it, or good because it commanded them, yet probably these actions might be forbidden because they were bad for us, or commanded because they were beneficial to us, in their own natures, all the circumstances of things considered. And this persuasion, with the kind hand of Providence, or some guardian angel, or accidental favorable circumstances and situations, or all together, preserved me, thro' this dangerous time of youth, and the hazardous situations I was sometimes in among strangers, remote from the eye and advice of my father, without any willful gross immorality or injustice, that might have been expected from my want of religion.

- Benjamin Franklin

Or try checking out Paine's Age of Reason.

A number of them, some professed Deists, others Christian, but not all of them were Christian men. The colonies may have been formed that way, but the nation certainly was not, rather it was founded by free-thinking men.

 

[NEO]

What is meant by "massively sympathetic?" If you mean that he is not willing to base his foreign policy on grand suppositions and assumption about a billion people based on their fringe terroristic elements, okay. If you mean he won't fight the actual terrorists on their home court in Afghanistan, the facts prove otherwise. If you mean he won't pointlessly try to interfere in Egypt's internal turmoil, at least publicly,okay.





Yes they do. Watch them. Look at how they practically leap out of their seats, wild eyed and irrationally adamant that he's lying when he says he's Christian and that he is affirmatively basing his policy on being Muslim. They said it. Its right there in the video.

Dude. I AM one of these Tea Party members that you talk about so much. I think I'm also the only public Tea Party member on here. I have also never pulled a punch with anything I have said. You can atleast give me that? I am here to tell you I have been in closed door sessiosn with Tea party leaders. I have given money to help fund some TP campaigns. I have sat next to a couple of the people who were elected and had drinks with them when their guards were down. Nobody in the Tea Party (the far right group at the moment) thinks he is a Muslim extremist. We think he is an extremist in many other aspects. His views on wealth and class and redistribution scare the hell out of most of us. This is why we dislike him so much. None of us care that he is black. None of us think he is on a secret Jihad. We do believe he is anti-Israel. WE do believe he is anti small government. WE do believe he wants to to take the upper midle class and middle class and blend them together with the lower class. We do believe he planned out a map of "change" with some of his Weather Underground buddies and is trying to implement it into law. WE believe all of that. WE even believe he is a Muslim and is keeping it quite because at the end of the day he is a politcian and feels it could harm him politically. But he is not a Muslim extremist.

 

[milohimself]

P.S. notice the footnotes of references provided below the quotes so it is not someones opinion/interpretation of what was said its their actual words.

I have read a good bit of source material for myself.

Again, my bottom line is that the country was founded by and for free-thinking people, not by and for men of any particular religious beliefs. As such, I don't see why it should matter to anybody what the POTUS or any particular candidate believes in, other than they might have the same core of values in a common religion. But that is values for values' sake, not directly because of religion.

If a Muslim man showed himself capable of intelligence and rational decision-making, and overall ideas for government that I agreed with, I would vote for him for president.

 

[NEO]

LG, Presidents lie all the time. The have an agenda and only about 50% of their agenda is every made public. This happens in the small business world, large business world, and in politics. You never show your entire hand.

Clinton lied about having Oral sex. Reagan lied about the arms deal. Bush SR lied about taxes. Carter was too stupid to lie. They all lie.

 

[utvolpj]

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers on Jesus, Christianity and the Bible

That is a falicy actually contrived and cooked up by progressives just after the turn of the last century.Just click on the link and read the actual words of our Forefathers, not some Liberal professors spin on them.

Enjoy the FACTS.

that site leave out huge pieces (like Jefferson's Bible?). Many were deist (and even some suspected atheists) but were afraid of the backlash. I've read many biographies of our founding fathers and their writings reveal this. The documents they produced to found this country prove that they understood there was a line

 

[NEO]

I have read a good bit of source material for myself.

Again, my bottom line is that the country was founded by and for free-thinking people, not by and for men of any particular religious beliefs. As such, I don't see why it should matter to anybody what the POTUS or any particular candidate believes in, other than they might have the same core of values in a common religion. But that is values for values' sake, not directly because of religion.

If a Muslim man showed himself capable of intelligence and rational decision-making, and overall ideas for government that I agreed with, I would vote for him for president.

I'm a christian. You think if I was elected I would tell the public I was about to do my best to allow prayer back into schools and make abortion against the law? Or would I keep it quiet and get it down under the table? Just a question.