The Supreme Court of the United States Thread

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hog88 said:
Is someone homo/hetero sexual if they never act on their attraction?
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I think so, yes. In my view, it is a question of who you are attracted to, not who you actually have sex with. That's why we refer to married men for example coming out of the closet and admitting their preference for men.

Now, if you ask me if its entirely nature or entirely a choice, I don't know the answer to that. I know what the gay community says. I know what the religious right says. I know gay people who had standard upbringings, i.e. nothing to suggest that it was promoted to them in any way such that there is no "by choice" explanation which is immediately apparent.

So, if I had to go out on a limb, I'd say that at least a portion of the gay community is gay by nature, not by choice. Are there people who choose it? I cannot rule it out, though I don't know any gay people where that seems to be the case, or really even just plausible.

I know that by and large I don't really care if people identify as gay and enter into such relationships of their own volition just as heterosexual couples do, and frankly have a hard time understanding why people on the right seem to obsess over it to the degree they so often do.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think so, yes. In my view, it is a question of who you are attracted to, not who you actually have sex with. That's why we refer to married men for example coming out of the closet and admitting their preference for men.

Now, if you ask me if its entirely nature or entirely a choice, I don't know the answer to that. I know what the gay community says. I know what the religious right says. I know gay people who had standard upbringings, i.e. nothing to suggest that it was promoted to them in any way such that there is no "by choice" explanation which is immediately apparent.

So, if I had to go out on a limb, I'd say that at least a portion of the gay community is gay by nature, not by choice. Are there people who choose it? I cannot rule it out, though I don't know any gay people where that seems to be the case, or really even just plausible.

I know that by and large I don't really care if people identify as gay and enter into such relationships of their own volition just as heterosexual couples do, and frankly have a hard time understanding why people on the right seem to obsess over it to the degree they so often do.
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What about the religious left?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think so, yes. In my view, it is a question of who you are attracted to, not who you actually have sex with. That's why we refer to married men for example coming out of the closet and admitting their preference for men.

Now, if you ask me if its entirely nature or entirely a choice, I don't know the answer to that. I know what the gay community says. I know what the religious right says. I know gay people who had standard upbringings, i.e. nothing to suggest that it was promoted to them in any way such that there is no "by choice" explanation which is immediately apparent.

So, if I had to go out on a limb, I'd say that at least a portion of the gay community is gay by nature, not by choice. Are there people who choose it? I cannot rule it out, though I don't know any gay people where that seems to be the case, or really even just plausible.

I know that by and large I don't really care if people identify as gay and enter into such relationships of their own volition just as heterosexual couples do, and frankly have a hard time understanding why people on the right seem to obsess over it to the degree they so often do.
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I don't think humans have a choice in who they are attracted to, just who (in general) they actually have intercourse with and that is the determining factor in sexuality.

I'm about as conservative as they come and IDGAF who people have sex with as long as they are consenting adults. My issue is .gov taking the freedom of association away from people in the name of equality.
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
What about the religious left?
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Again, speaking in generalities, I think it depends on the church. I personally am a member of a Presbyterian (USA) denomination church, which supports gay rights. But, there is another division of the Presbyterian Church, the PCA denomination, which opposes it.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think humans have a choice in who they are attracted to, just who (in general) they actually have intercourse with and that is the determining factor in sexuality.

I'm about as conservative as they come and IDGAF who people have sex with as long as they are consenting adults. My issue is .gov taking the freedom of association away from people in the name of equality.
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Does that apply to race, as well? Gender?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, speaking in generalities, I think it depends on the church. I personally am a member of a Presbyterian (USA) denomination church, which supports gay rights. But, there is another division of the Presbyterian Church, the PCA denomination, which opposes it.
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But if we just generalize then Presbyterians oppose gay rights. Why are you such a homophobe?
 
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utvolpj said:
But if we just generalize then Presbyterians oppose gay rights. Why are you such a homophobe?
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Not all members of the religious right (or left) are tolerant of homosexuality, nor are they outright against it, if that is your point. I would acknowledge that.

But the people who do seem motivated enough to actually act on their intolerance for it seem to cloak themselves in religious objection. Would also also agree with that?


hog88 said:
Yes. People should be free to associate or not associate with whomever they choose. And by free I don't mean free from social or financial consequences just from the .gov.
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So you are okay with a business, such as a restaurant, barring black people from entering and its up to the marketplace to determine whether that business thrives or dies. Do I understand you correctly?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not all members of the religious right (or left) are tolerant of homosexuality, nor are they outright against it, if that is your point. I would acknowledge that.

But the people who do seem motivated enough to actually act on their intolerance for it seem to cloak themselves in religious objection. Would also also agree with that?





So you are okay with a business, such as a restaurant, barring black people from entering and its up to the marketplace to determine whether that business thrives or dies. Do I understand you correctly?
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Don't be a Donjo, even you are better than that.

No, I'm not "okay" with discrimination I just support the right to do so. I think in the vast majority of cases openly discriminating is a terrible business decision. Money is green and doesn't have a religion or sexual orientation.
 
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hog88 said:
Don't be a Donjo, even you are better than that.

No, I'm not "okay" with discrimination I just support the right to do so. I think in the vast majority of cases openly discriminating is a terrible business decision. Money is green and doesn't have a religion or sexual orientation.
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You think it should be legal for a restaurant to exclude people based on race?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You think it should be legal for a restaurant to exclude people based on race?
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Yes. Why shouldn't it be? How long do you think that restaurant would stay open? I oppose government forced association as much I oppose government forced segregation.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes. Why shouldn't it be? How long do you think that restaurant would stay open? I oppose government forced association as much I oppose government forced segregation.
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Let the free market decide. Remember that restaurant in Louisiana where the owners would talk to white people about them needing to tip more because of the past. That place did not stay open. People quit going.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not all members of the religious right (or left) are tolerant of homosexuality, nor are they outright against it, if that is your point. I would acknowledge that.

But the people who do seem motivated enough to actually act on their intolerance for it seem to cloak themselves in religious objection. Would also also agree with that?





So you are okay with a business, such as a restaurant, barring black people from entering and its up to the marketplace to determine whether that business thrives or dies. Do I understand you correctly?
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So would you allow a pedophile to hang out at a kids restaurant? Not talking a convicted one, but some adult that admitted he or she was a pedophile?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, speaking in generalities, I think it depends on the church. I personally am a member of a Presbyterian (USA) denomination church, which supports gay rights. But, there is another division of the Presbyterian Church, the PCA denomination, which opposes it.
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Yeah, your church is definitely not a Biblical church, it is an anti-christ church.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not all members of the religious right (or left) are tolerant of homosexuality, nor are they outright against it, if that is your point. I would acknowledge that.

But the people who do seem motivated enough to actually act on their intolerance for it seem to cloak themselves in religious objection. Would also also agree with that?





So you are okay with a business, such as a restaurant, barring black people from entering and its up to the marketplace to determine whether that business thrives or dies. Do I understand you correctly?
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Completely different, being black is not a choice, being a sodomite is a choice. Completely different.
 
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Forum has jumped the shark. Probably did a long time ago, but at least we have pretty definitive proof of it at this point.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Forum has jumped the shark. Probably did a long time ago, but at least we have pretty definitive proof of it at this point.
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There are posters you just have to ignore and then there are some who just refuse to produce a reasonable argument.

Why should people/business be forced at the end of gun to associate with people they don't want to?
 
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hog88 said:
There are posters you just have to ignore and then there are some who just refuse to produce a reasonable argument.

Why should people/business be forced at the end of gun to associate with people they don't want to?
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I know if I was the baker that refused to make a cake for a gay wedding and was forced to do it, it would be one ugly ass cake and taste like crap. Oh wait, you don't like your cake, here's your money back.
 
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VolStrom said:
I know if I was the baker that refused to make a cake for a gay wedding and was forced to do it, it would be one ugly ass cake and taste like crap. Oh wait, you don't like your cake, here's your money back.
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Yeah, it would be pretty bad. The sodomites pushing this are doing this just to go after Christians. You never see any Muslims being sued.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
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Christian Group’s Dinner Reservation Canceled Because Restaurant’s LGBTQ Staff Felt ‘Uncomfortable … Unsafe’ | The Daily Wire
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Sounds like they were denied based upon their politics:

Recently we refused service to a group that had booked an event with us after the owners of Metzger found out it was a group of donors to a political organization that seeks to deprive women and LGBTQ+ persons of their basic human rights in Virginia.

Why is it anyone's business who they give money to? I don't want a restaurant knowing what charities I give to
 
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