The Supreme Court of the United States Thread

The conservatives on SCOTUS have made it clear that they are A-OK with corruption. Astounding. They just ruled that you can
bribe a public official and get away with it so long as you pay the official AFTER a contract is awarded. Do that and the bribe
can be considered a "gratiuity," according to Kavanaugh, writing for the conservative majority---"a token of appreciation."

Seriously, this is another absolutely absurd, dubious, scandalously amoral rulings by the Roberts court.



 
The conservatives on SCOTUS have made it clear that they are A-OK with corruption. Astounding. They just ruled that you can
bribe a public official and get away with it so long as you pay the official AFTER a contract is awarded. Do that and the bribe
can be considered a "gratiuity," according to Kavanaugh, writing for the conservative majority---"a token of appreciation."

Seriously, this is another absolutely absurd, dubious, scandalously amoral rulings by the Roberts court.





You might want to actually read the ruling. They left it open for states to pass laws banning "tips" for state officials, this was a ruling reinforcing states governing themselves. State officials should have never been included in the federal provisions.
 
You might want to actually read the ruling. They left it open for states to pass laws banning "tips" for state officials, this was a ruling reinforcing states governing themselves. State officials should have never been included in the federal provisions.
Why read the whole thing when idiots tweets are much more emotionally justifying
 
You might want to actually read the ruling. They left it open for states to pass laws banning "tips" for state officials, this was a ruling reinforcing states governing themselves. State officials should have never been included in the federal provisions.
You mean you want him to read it all???

Nice how he leaves out Sotomayor's little 3Mil she got.
 
It might be semantics, I’m not sure, but The Hill makes it sound like they didn’t rule on whether the White House attempted to coerce social media into restricting speech - they simply said plaintiffs had no legal standing.



If the Court says they have no standing, then so be it. Seems prudent to ensure that burden is met.

Also seems unfortunate that the Court was unable to define any guardrails around this kind of activity from the State.

Would think there’s a fair chance we see more activity like this in the future. Could very well come from the other side next.

There are guardrails. See e.g. Bantam Books v. Sullivan and NRA v. Vullo. They just don’t seem to encompass situations where the government and the recipient of the communications were essentially on the same page from (before) the start and the communications had no discernible effect on their decision-making with regards to these plaintiffs.

Isn’t that what she’s describing here:
“As already dis- cussed, the platforms moderated similar content long before any of the Government defendants engaged in the chal- lenged conduct. In fact, the platforms, acting inde- pendently, had strengthened their pre-existing content- moderation policies before the Government defendants got involved. For instance, Facebook announced an expansion of its COVID–19 misinformation policies in early February 2021, before White House officials began communicating with the platform. And the platforms continued to exercise their independent judgment even after communications with the defendants began. For example, on several occa- sions, various platforms explained that White House offi- cials had flagged content that did not violate company pol- icy. Moreover, the platforms did not speak only with the defendants about content moderation; they also regularly consulted with outside experts.

This evidence indicates that the platforms had independ- ent incentives to moderate content and often exercised their own judgment. To be sure, the record reflects that the Gov- ernment defendants played a role in at least some of the platforms’ moderation choices. But the Fifth Circuit, by at- tributing every platform decision at least in part to the de- fendants, glossed over complexities in the evidence.”

So, yes, the majority does not decide whether every related act or communication of every government official was an attempt at coercion or not. They decide that none of the communications affected these claimants because, essentially, the platform was already taking the actions the government sought, didn’t acquiesce to all of the government’s demands, and continued to take similar actions after the government moved on. Plaintiffs can’t show that it affected the platforms’ decision-making in their situations.

In my opinion, there’s no real way to substitute different parties and get around that, without significantly changing the circumstances and context of the communications.

E.g. the platform would have the most obvious case for standing, but the platform objecting to their treatment, wanting the content to remain, or even being ambivalent about the content’s presence are all significant changes to the circumstances that likely would have made a difference for these claimants.

P.S.- The whole generalized discussion of traceability is only 6 pages (8-14, as numbered on the pages, not the .pdf, beginning and ending about halfway down both pages) and I think her writing is very approachable.

 
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There are guardrails. See e.g. Bantam Books v. Sullivan and NRA v. Vullo. They just don’t seem to encompass situations where the government and the recipient of the communications were essentially on the same page from (before) the start and the communications had no discernible effect on their decision-making with regards to these plaintiffs.

Isn’t that what she’s describing here:
“As already dis- cussed, the platforms moderated similar content long before any of the Government defendants engaged in the chal- lenged conduct. In fact, the platforms, acting inde- pendently, had strengthened their pre-existing content- moderation policies before the Government defendants got involved. For instance, Facebook announced an expansion of its COVID–19 misinformation policies in early February 2021, before White House officials began communicating with the platform. And the platforms continued to exercise their independent judgment even after communications with the defendants began. For example, on several occa- sions, various platforms explained that White House offi- cials had flagged content that did not violate company pol- icy. Moreover, the platforms did not speak only with the defendants about content moderation; they also regularly consulted with outside experts.

This evidence indicates that the platforms had independ- ent incentives to moderate content and often exercised their own judgment. To be sure, the record reflects that the Gov- ernment defendants played a role in at least some of the platforms’ moderation choices. But the Fifth Circuit, by at- tributing every platform decision at least in part to the de- fendants, glossed over complexities in the evidence.”

So, yes, the majority does not decide whether every related act or communication of every government official was an attempt at coercion or not. They decide that none of the communications affected these claimants because, essentially, the platform was already taking the actions the government sought, didn’t acquiesce to all of the government’s demands, and continued to take similar actions after the government moved on. Plaintiffs can’t show that it affected the platforms’ decision-making in their situations.

In my opinion, there’s no real way to substitute different parties and get around that, without significantly changing the circumstances and context of the communications.

E.g. the platform would have the most obvious case for standing, but the platform objecting to their treatment, wanting the content to remain, or even being ambivalent about the content’s presence are all significant changes to the circumstances that likely would have made a difference for these claimants.

P.S.- The whole generalized discussion of traceability is only 6 pages (8-14, as numbered on the pages, not the .pdf, beginning and ending about halfway down both pages) and I think her writing is very approachable.

Appreciate the detail, as always.

I truly do respect the Court ensuring plaintiff standing. That seems pretty bedrock.

I am admittedly still left a bit uneasy over the argument that Platforms were already engaging in censorship (which is allowed), so the State jumping into bed with them in that pursuit caused no harm.

That maybe (probably is) an oversimplification. But it just feels grimy. Jmo.
 
Good ruling in the Jarkesy case. The SEC can no longer exercise the powers of all three branches in penalizing someone for securities fraud.

Supreme Court strikes serious blow against the administrative state​


In a potentially groundbreaking decision, the Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that defendants accused of fraud by the Securities and Exchange Commission have the right to a jury trial.

I can see the Turbo Tweet now - “Scandalously amoral SCOTUS rules that Hedge Fund managers can legally defraud investors!”
 
You might want to actually read the ruling. They left it open for states to pass laws banning "tips" for state officials, this was a ruling reinforcing states governing themselves. State officials should have never been included in the federal provisions.

Red-state Republicans will NEVER pass such a law because they like corruption---see the conservatives on our Supreme Court. It's how they roll. Republicans always fight attempts to crack down on corruption.

 
Red-state Republicans will NEVER pass such a law because they like corruption---see the conservatives on our Supreme Court. It's how they roll. Republicans always fight attempts to crack down on corruption.



LOL, absolutely no corruption in blue states is there? And let us know when a blue state passes a law banning it.

Oh and BTW TN state law limits gifts and gratuities to public officials to a max of $73 and it has to be reported. What's the law in your blue state?
 
LOL, absolutely no corruption in blue states is there? And let us know when a blue state passes a law banning it.

Oh and BTW TN state law limits gifts and gratuities to public officials to a max of $73 and it has to be reported. What's the law in your blue state?
Guarantee you Turbo lives in Florida.
 
LOL, absolutely no corruption in blue states is there? And let us know when a blue state passes a law banning it.

Oh and BTW TN state law limits gifts and gratuities to public officials to a max of $73 and it has to be reported. What's the law in your blue state?

In blue states you are not allowed to put even a nickel in a parking meter for a public officials or say anything complimentary to them.
 
In blue states you are not allowed to put even a nickel in a parking meter for a public officials or say anything complimentary to them.

Is IL not a blue state? Here are the exceptions to the IL gift/gratuity prohibition, it's a hell of a lot more lax than what we have here in TN.

• gifts available to the public under the sameconditions;• gifts for which the recipient paid marketvalue;• lawful campaign contributions or a fundraising event;• educational materials or missions;• travel expenses for a meeting to discuss Statebusiness;• gifts received from a relative;• gifts provided by an individual on the basis ofpersonal friendship;• food or refreshments not exceeding $75 perday;• benefits related to outside business or employment activities;• intra-governmental and inter-governmentalgifts• bequests, inheritances and other transfers atdeath• gifts from one prohibited source with a cumulative value of less than $100 during any calendar ye

https://eec.illinois.gov/content/dam/soi/en/web/eec/documents/gift-ban.pdf
 
I haven't read the ruling nor do I know the facts of the underlying case much but as a generalization its a very hard thing to even legislate in on this kind of thing. There are all kinds of kickbacks in various forms, these things are often received after the person is no longer a government official. High ranking military personnel, and even not so high level ones are given jobs which they would not have been open too if not for influence or procurement purposes.
 
I haven't read the ruling nor do I know the facts of the underlying case much but as a generalization its a very hard thing to even legislate in on this kind of thing. There are all kinds of kickbacks in various forms, these things are often received after the person is no longer a government official. High ranking military personnel, and even not so high level ones are given jobs which they would not have been open too if not for influence or procurement purposes.

Bribery is rife at the local and state level--in cities, among county supervisors, at the state level. And especially when it comes to awarding contracts to businesses, which was the essence of this case, and zoning/development issues.
 
Bribery is rife at the local and state level--in cities, among county supervisors, at the state level. And especially when it comes to awarding contracts to businesses, which was the essence of this case, and zoning/development issues.

And the states and localities need to deal with it, not the federal government.
 
Bribery is rife at the local and state level--in cities, among county supervisors, at the state level. And especially when it comes to awarding contracts to businesses, which was the essence of this case, and zoning/development issues.
It definitely can be a problem, but sometimes there is a clear line between bribery and other. Its not just at the local and state level. Why do you think all these campaign funds really are?

Some of it can and is legislated and other parts can't be. Or if we want to talk about blue States i.e. selective enforcement of laws. Politics.
 
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