The Tiger Woods saga

#801
#801
doozer said:
being a good father and being and being a good husband are mutually exclusive. just because you aren't good at one doesn't mean you are automatically bad at the other.
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Yea, I'd disagree somewhat. I would admit there are exceptions but kids can't ask for a much better situation that a 2 parent home where the parents have a great relationship. If you are not a good husband, then the marriage breaks apart. Can you still be a good father then? Yea you can, but it is not as good.
 
#802
#802
cotton said:
You are flipping your argument. My point is that they would be better off having more money and having their father. Your position would give them less money and less fatherly guidance.
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My position is they would be better off with a father behaving as a father. The money is irrelevant, is my position. Also, if he isn't going to be a good father then they are better off with him not being there.
 
#803
#803
allvol123 said:
My position is they would be better off with a father behaving as a father. The money is irrelevant, is my position. Also, if he isn't going to be a good father then they are better off with him not being there.
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Your position is wrong.

I'm sticking with the premise that kids are better off growing up with both their mother and billionaire father in the household.
 
#804
#804
cotton said:
Your position is wrong.

I'm sticking with the premise that kids are better off growing up with both their mother and billionaire father in the household.
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No it isn't.

Not if the father treats the mother like a piece of garbage.
 
#806
#806
allvol123 said:
Yea, I'd disagree somewhat. I would admit there are exceptions but kids can't ask for a much better situation that a 2 parent home where the parents have a great relationship. If you are not a good husband, then the marriage breaks apart. Can you still be a good father then? Yea you can, but it is not as good.
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nonsense.
 
#807
#807
vol_in_il said:
no one's reported Tiger treated Elin poorly
He just got a little on the side
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Umm....that is poorly, thus her leaving.

But you are right, nothing like showing your daughter
that it is cool to have your husband cheat on you. Great
example. Or showing your son the proper example of
being a husband. He was practically father of the year material.
 
#810
#810
allvol123 said:
Umm....that is poorly, thus her leaving.

But you are right, nothing like showing your daughter
that it is cool to have your husband cheat on you. Great
example. Or showing your son the proper example of
being a husband. He was practically father of the year material.
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that's on Elin, if she decides to stay..
The Secretary of State did
 
#812
#812
allvol123 said:
Umm....that is poorly, thus her leaving.

But you are right, nothing like showing your daughter
that it is cool to have your husband cheat on you. Great
example. Or showing your son the proper example of
being a husband. He was practically father of the year material.
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I'm a med student and I'm on my psych rotation right now. Let me tell you, kids see and survive much much worse than what Tiger did
 
#813
#813
ReeceBobby said:
I'm a med student and I'm on my psych rotation right now. Let me tell you, kids see and survive much much worse than what Tiger did
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Really. Did I say they didn't? What they can survive has nothing to do with determining if someone is being the parent they should be. Abused kids will still love and defend their abusive parents. I am discussing the parenting, not the maximum a kid can handle.
 
#815
#815
blupotato said:
I was living in Leadville, CO for several years going to school and working as a mountain guide for companies such as Outward Bound. I was traveling all over the west on trips and this winter I was just working for a local ski mountain enjoying the fact I got paid to be on skis. The mountain got a call that came from Tiger that he was down in Vail and he was getting too much attention and he wanted to come up and catch a snow cat and do some backcountry skiing away from the masses of kiss arses. The mountain agreed to accommodate his needs. Here is where I come into the picture.

In order to run backcountry routes first off there would need to be some avalanche testing down on the particular slope. So I and another guy went out and found a good slope. I dug an avy pit and did all testing to ensure that there would be no danger to anyone wishing to ski that particual slope. Then Tiger arrives and I am back to greet him and introduce myself and find out everything he needed to get going.

Now, the first thing that set me off was the fact that he told his wife to stay in that car the entire time. Now it is right around 15 degrees in the sun and she is going to sit in the car when we have a roaring fire away from other people in our lodge. She is also pregnant with their first child. I did not get to speak with her so maybe she wanted to sit in the car with the heater on, but I got the feeling it was in a more authoritative tone from Tiger. I certainly made it clear that we could accommodate her in a building rather than the car, but he just wanted to ski and I fell on deaf ears.

We boarded the cat and rode to the slope we are going to ski and get all geared up to go down. There was not much conversation between us and it was just me and the other guy that dug the pit with me and it was a long ride. Kind of a smug arrogance from him. I treated him as anyone else I would do this for. I am under the impression he is an average skier, but had no clue as to his ability until we started down. This slope was no different than an average slope that an average skier could manage. Conditions were good with a couple of inches of powder above the first layer. Turns out to be a lot more of a difficult run than we expected.

As we started down I would take lead and basically show Tiger where to point his skis making sure he stayed within our safe zones. My buddy would be behind him making sure he made it down and just monitoring conditions as we went. I can tell right away that he was having some difficulties. He fell several times right off and I tried to help him out and he just goes off. I had no idea at the time that this guy is not what he is on tv. Now I can cuss like a sailor, but he took it to a whole new level. When I guide I keep everything strictly professional and I tried to calm him down as he sputtered along. This same routine went on until he finally made it down and my job was done.

Usual tradition is we go back to the lodge and drinks are on the house, etc. Most importantly we get paid (aka tipped for our extensive services). We make it back to the main area and he straight up dips out on tipping or even paying for his trip. Now, I have spent most of my day babysitting him and his needs and he took off without so much as a thank you. He snubbed me.

I am angry at him for how he treated his pregnant wife and his lack of being gratious for a guide changing plans to accommadate his desires. Simply put he was an ungrateful prick. I don't care if he is a great golfer, but am even more unimpressed with his lack of compassion as a human being. I am glad he is being raked over the coals. Much deserved for a sorry piece of garbage.
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Don't take it personally, from what I've read he never tips and trys to get everything given to him complimentary.
 
#816
#816
Does anyone believe he won't cheat again? Few cheaters truely reform until late in life.
 
#817
#817
doozer said:
being a good father and being and being a good husband are mutually exclusive. just because you aren't good at one doesn't mean you are automatically bad at the other.
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Having both parents involved is important, and if someone is responsible for their marriage failing, then they have let their children down tremendously. I think that is probably one of main reasons his wife is giving him a second change, for their family.

I doubt if they didnt have kids she would do that. He's very lucky, he has a wife that gives him a 2nd chance most wouldn't.
 
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