The Transfer Portal is Leveling the Field. Next Up: NIL Caps

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The players, as employees, will unionize and collectively negotiate contracts as per the NFL which means the schools will have to share TV revenue.

With what you're suggesting there's no way to make players students. You can't force a pro athlete to attend school, so you could easily end up with aging NFL stars coming back to "college" ball.

You're talking about ending college athletics, I assume.
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College football has already been ended for greed. They should at least make it a good system.
 
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VolInDayton said:
I know it's not controlled by the school, but I think it's time that the schools/conferences start paying the players. They are signing tv contracts for billions of dollars now and ADs and coaches are telling fans its up to them to pay for the players while they are making more money than they ever have.
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This.

It was one thing back when a student-athlete received a quality education in exchange for representing his school in sports.

That morphed into some of the most innovative (tight-rope surgery, Tua? Brock?) and cutting edge health care and human training in the world. All to prepare a young person for the next level of professional sports. At some point in time this was probably enough, too.

Fast forward to the last few decades where the monies made on the backs of these young men is now measured in BILLIONS.

Will the rich continue to get richer? Who wants to see Alabama, Ohio State, and Georgia compete for the championship every year?
 
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VolInDayton said:
College football has already been ended for greed. They should at least make it a good system.
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It will eventually end up as a pro league, for sure, but you can't limit NIL, even as pros.

IF the teams pay salaries and the players unionize you will have a DRAFT from high school, not recruiting, and the entire game becomes NFL-lite or a complete farm system.

Colleges are most likely going to end lots of sports because the athletic budgets are heavily fueled by revenue sports: football and basketball. Colleges cannot easily separate that their football team is a pro team but their wrestling team isn't....... BOTH will need to be paid teams or the schools need to get out of the business.

Be careful what you suggest because you can't go halfway. You can't suggest the school can "pick and choose" easily which sport is pro and which sport isn't.
 
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casual-observer said:
Again, I couldn‘t agree more.
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I'll agree it was greed but it was the greed of the schools, not the players. Nico was just a kid when all this started to get momentum. All his generation did was be born in this era, not the 50s.

The schools and fans WANTED football and basketball to be big-time, high budget, high visibility sports like the pros. They built facilities that rivaled pro sports. They paid coaches like pro coaches. They signed media contracts like pro sports.

The athletes didn't do that. They just grew up in it.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It will eventually end up as a pro league, for sure, but you can't limit NIL, even as pros.

IF the teams pay salaries and the players unionize you will have a DRAFT from high school, not recruiting, and the entire game becomes NFL-lite or a complete farm system.

Colleges are most likely going to end lots of sports because the athletic budgets are heavily fueled by revenue sports: football and basketball. Colleges cannot easily separate that their football team is a pro team but their wrestling team isn't....... BOTH will need to be paid teams or the schools need to get out of the business.

Be careful what you suggest because you can't go halfway. You can't suggest the school can "pick and choose" easily which sport is pro and which sport isn't.
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I thought U-T used to (maybe still does) have club gymnastics (no scholarships as I understood it) and the club competed against NCAA schools that did offer scholarships.
A club gymnastics member could not demand that U-T give him a scholarship.
I'm not an attorney but I was thinking the club could get away with paying the players easier than the university could.

My high school had club ice hockey - I'm not sure it was called that, but the school district didn't put up any money and allowed the club to use the name of the school district and the mascot.
I am thinking that the club required the players be students -- the parents paid the team's expenses.
 
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woodpusher said:
I thought U-T used to (maybe still does) have club gymnastics (no scholarships as I understood it) and the club competed against NCAA schools that did offer scholarships.
A club gymnastics member could not demand that U-T give him a scholarship.
I'm not an attorney but I was thinking the club could get away with paying the players easier than the university could.
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There are the "club sports" situations which are essentially "pay for play" and most are non-revenue or low revenue. I don't know the specifics and I'm not sure the schools are entirely in control of those clubs...... read that to mean that the schools wouldn't make all the money from media rights.

Be assured. The fight over NIL and reimbursing athletes is about all the money the schools make from the business. They are fighting tooth and nail to not share that revenue like the pro franchises are forced to do via the player's union.
 
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The corruption going on in all betting accessible sports will bring down college football. Actually the NIL probably made it harder to get kids to shave points.
There is just too much money to be made with gambling. Officials aren’t as bad as they look.
 
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VolInDayton said:
College football has already been ended for greed. They should at least make it a good system.
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People said the same thing when bowls started paying out money and TV networks paid conferences to air their games. The sky is falling and it's all about $$$.

Yet here we are. College football remains extremely popular and entertaining.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Yeah....Pandora's box is opened, and there's no going back. The NCAA has lost control and this thing formerly known as college football will continue to grow and become more of a farm league and there's really nothing anyone can do about it.
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Whatever we want to call it, it's been set loose.
 

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Parity? Do you REALLY want parity? Do you want to average a 6-6 record in the future? That is like saying you would be ok with Vandy beating us half the time. 10-2 would be the best you could hope for and that would be followed by a 2-10 season.
 
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casual-observer said:
Hahahahahahhaha, right!

I agree with most of what has been posted in the thread. There's likely no way to limit the spend. Again, aTm has proven that money isn't everything.

And yes, thankfully UT is near the top. They say that money can't buy happiness. But it can get you from 3-7 to 11-2 in less than 24 months.

The NCAA has facocked NIL.
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who cares, 11-2 doesn’t mean squat in the sec. . What that means is you didn’t play in a championship game. I don’t get why people think this is some badge of success especially since the Vols couldn’t build on it. UGA got stuck with the 1980 tag because they went 10-3, 11-2 multiple times when Richt was their coach, it was literally a laughing point. Gone are the days when playing in a bowl matters if it isn’t in the bowls that lead to a championship. It is like the Reece Bobby quote, “2nd place is the first loser.”
 
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Raebo said:
Parity? Do you REALLY want parity? Do you want to average a 6-6 record in the future? That is like saying you would be ok with Vandy beating us half the time. 10-2 would be the best you could hope for and that would be followed by a 2-10 season.
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You are never going to achieve that level of parity,but it would be better than the current products. There are numerous weeks where there's a time slot without a competitive game on TV.

Top teams might play 1 or 2 regular season games a year that are competitive. And if they lose 1 it doesn't even matter.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It will eventually end up as a pro league, for sure, but you can't limit NIL, even as pros.

IF the teams pay salaries and the players unionize you will have a DRAFT from high school, not recruiting, and the entire game becomes NFL-lite or a complete farm system.

Colleges are most likely going to end lots of sports because the athletic budgets are heavily fueled by revenue sports: football and basketball. Colleges cannot easily separate that their football team is a pro team but their wrestling team isn't....... BOTH will need to be paid teams or the schools need to get out of the business.

Be careful what you suggest because you can't go halfway. You can't suggest the school can "pick and choose" easily which sport is pro and which sport isn't.
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Thanks....I was thinking the club model would make it possible to say which sport was pro and which wasn't, but then the school could lose out on a lot of money to the club.
 
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Transfer portal much more harmful to college sports than NIL. College baseball I believe is harmed the most. Coaches now are resisting taking position players out of high school in favor of transfers from other D1 programs. And why wouldn’t they? The transfer players have already had college experience and routinely face high level pitching. Even elite level position players are having to go D2 or Juco first just to get the chance to play at a high level D1 program. So much roster turnover out there and school hoping. I don’t care for it at all. I like high school kids going straight to their dream school, developing into players all 4 years at that school. As it is now, they’re just players for short term hire to help a coach win quick. In 5 years you will forget 80% of UT’s baseball roster because most of those guys outside of pitchers won’t be there more than 2 years
 
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