The Transfer Portal is Leveling the Field. Next Up: NIL Caps

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There will be no caps in NCAA coaching salaries unless it's members agree and that is unlikely.

There will never be NCAA set NIL caps as that would run afoul of the law. Obviously, individual funds will be capped by their conditions or members. There are going to be a lot of really sleazy people giving these kids high interest rate loans now too. It will be up to the legit funds and schools to educate these kids on the dangers of this type of stuff because there will be a lot kids piling up credit card debt etc based upon future NIL payments.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Yea, some people don't realize that NIL isn't a special rule carved out for college athletes. It's the right of every American to profit from their NIL and the NCAA was illegally restricting college athletes from doing so for decades. Any attempt from the NCAA to limit NIL is going to be met with several legal challenges I think.
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ON THE OTHER HAND, for competitive balance, just like schollie limits, I think it will be possible to LIMIT the schools, not the athlete. Prohibiting ANY NIL was one thing, but just like capping at 85 schollies for schools, NIL can be limited too. There was no recourse for a kid that wanted to go to BAMA when they ran out of ships. Same for NIL cap. The NCAA simply has to allow NIL to be used if reported, but by the athlete, not the school or the provider. Still maintaining an amatuer basis of competition, ANY NIL deal for ANY value with a waiver based on reporting it THROUGH the school compliance department to forward to NCAA. The NCAA will PRIVATELY maintain and share the balances for each school. Might have to add an immediate waiver if a NEW deal for a player exceeds a schools ability to absorb the increase. Kid still gets the money from outside the school's control at a new school. NIL providers will have to assume the risk of paying for a guy who must transfer. But he still has his NAME, his IMAGE and his LIKENESS and his money and an opportunity to attend an NCAA school. Don't see a problem with the court ruling.

I have long SUPPOSED there will be two tiers and two caps. UP to X ($10k or ????k) are part of a low tier cap and are not part of the BIG CAP. Not going to stress over chicken, pizza or shirt deals. Over that does. If you can regulate schollies, practice days, recruiting visits and other items, you can regulate NIL. When the school reaches it's cap, the kid is free to enter the portal and take HIS deals with him. Until there is NO school with cap space life should be good. Going to be hard to prove their value as a player is diminished by having to go to SC or TN instead of BAMA or GA. Kid might have to decide his new incremental deal does not fall within the current school cap, to pass on the deal or transfer, or maybe take an NIL redshirt. Do not see a show stopper.
 
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VolInDayton said:
I know it's not controlled by the school, but I think it's time that the schools/conferences start paying the players. They are signing tv contracts for billions of dollars now and ADs and coaches are telling fans its up to them to pay for the players while they are making more money than they ever have.
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Paying players will not affect NIL a whit.
NIL money for stars will exceed salaries by a large amount.
 
#54
#54
My old wise boss would say...want to find the devil....follow the money. Money is flowing into sports, sports media, stadiums, and University/NFL towns across the land. Once that door swung open, it will be nearly impossible to shut. Making rules for keeping cows in the pen after they are all over the county is foolish. I'm just along for the ride. Hope the Vols figure it out and win us some Championships. I prefer the days of "student athletes" and kinda sad we are rapidly headed for an A, AA, and AAA division in football, maybe basketball and baseball. Maybe returning college campuses to exclusively academics and letting the NFL expand to include minor league pros and major league pros will be a good thing. Already have a USFL.
 
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The only way nil will be capped if the goverment passes some laws to limit it. As it stands now, the limits are basically (what few there are) by individual states.
 
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MegaVol615 said:
I suspect this is going to be tough to do. NIL is more akin to the endorsement money NFL players get (paid by third parties) not their playing salaries (paid by the team). There’s no cap on endorsements. Plus, any effort to cap college players’ ability to earn is going to run into a lot of legal challenges.
If the NCAA hadn’t stuck its head in the sand for many years and instead shaped NIL, maybe they could have put a better structure around the NIL issue. Now, they don’t have any leverage to do much of anything on the topic.
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I think you are correct. Any attempt by the schools or NCAA to place restrictions likely will be struck down under the antitrust laws. Collusion, etc.

Congress could do this, but good luck with that.

The NFL caps fly because the players have a union and collectively bargain with the owners. Hard to do that in college with the eligibility being limited to four years.

In other words, it’s a mess that likely doesn’t have an easy answer.
 
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casual-observer said:
ESPN reporting this afternoon that 20.5% of the 2023 rosters were made up of portal transfers. This up from a mere 6.5% in 2019.

I used to think the NIL would be the end of College Football but, that coupled with the new Transfer Portal rules (along with a great hire in CJH) has brought my favorite Tennessee Vols from rocky bottom closer to Rocky Top in a very short amount of time.

Think about how difficult it is to compete with the Georgia's, Alabama's, Ohio State's, and Clemson's year-after-year as they stock their 2nd and 3rd strings with five-star recruits. Think about all the great Portal Transfers in the past three years that have augmented the Volunteer program.

Next up, is going to have to be a leveling of the NIL monies. Texas A&M has shown that, money can't buy everything. But this feels a lot like the Dallas Cowboys of the 70's and 80's. How many Super Bowls do you think Dallas would have won if the salary caps had not been implemented? Now in the NFL, it's common to see a team go from worst to first or reverse over the course of even one season.

It seems like it should be on the NCAA's to-do list: How does a team like Washington with an average NIL of $32K ever supposed to compete with a Georgia ($143K), Ohio State ($139K), or Alabama ($125K)?
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NIL caps will just back illegal compensation.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
ON THE OTHER HAND, for competitive balance, just like schollie limits, I think it will be possible to LIMIT the schools, not the athlete. Prohibiting ANY NIL was one thing, but just like capping at 85 schollies for schools, NIL can be limited too. There was no recourse for a kid that wanted to go to BAMA when they ran out of ships. Same for NIL cap. The NCAA simply has to allow NIL to be used if reported, but by the athlete, not the school or the provider. Still maintaining an amatuer basis of competition, ANY NIL deal for ANY value with a waiver based on reporting it THROUGH the school compliance department to forward to NCAA. The NCAA will PRIVATELY maintain and share the balances for each school. Might have to add an immediate waiver if a NEW deal for a player exceeds a schools ability to absorb the increase. Kid still gets the money from outside the school's control at a new school. NIL providers will have to assume the risk of paying for a guy who must transfer. But he still has his NAME, his IMAGE and his LIKENESS and his money and an opportunity to attend an NCAA school. Don't see a problem with the court ruling.

I have long SUPPOSED there will be two tiers and two caps. UP to X ($10k or ????k) are part of a low tier cap and are not part of the BIG CAP. Not going to stress over chicken, pizza or shirt deals. Over that does. If you can regulate schollies, practice days, recruiting visits and other items, you can regulate NIL. When the school reaches it's cap, the kid is free to enter the portal and take HIS deals with him. Until there is NO school with cap space life should be good. Going to be hard to prove their value as a player is diminished by having to go to SC or TN instead of BAMA or GA. Kid might have to decide his new incremental deal does not fall within the current school cap, to pass on the deal or transfer, or maybe take an NIL redshirt. Do not see a show stopper.
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The NCAA loses that lawsuit. They already lost the "educational compensation" lawsuit 9-0 in the Supreme Court because the justices felt athletes were being singled out from other students with caps on what could be provided.

It'll be a similar NIL lawsuit if you cap it. Unless athletes have the exact same rights as other students to earning via NIL, it's a not going to be legal.
 
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VolInDayton said:
I know it's not controlled by the school, but I think it's time that the schools/conferences start paying the players. They are signing tv contracts for billions of dollars now and ADs and coaches are telling fans its up to them to pay for the players while they are making more money than they ever have.
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A liberal DOE will come in and challenge the pay for football players vs women’s soccer players.

This salary you speak of will force the end of 3/4 of the sports as we know them, they will turn into club sports or be axed.

This salary will have ramifications due to Title IX that most fans are not thinking through.
 
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EZE said:
I think you are correct. Any attempt by the schools or NCAA to place restrictions likely will be struck down under the antitrust laws. Collusion, etc.

Congress could do this, but good luck with that.

The NFL caps fly because the players have a union and collectively bargain with the owners. Hard to do that in college with the eligibility being limited to four years.

In other words, it’s a mess that likely doesn’t have an easy answer.
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NFL caps are on salary not outside NIL deals made by NFL players. Big difference
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
NFL caps are on salary not outside NIL deals made by NFL players. Big difference
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I understand that, but I don’t think there’s such a clean dividing line with the way the college system is currently working.
 
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VolInDayton said:
Because with the current system we pretend like it's marketing but it's a salary.

Leagues without a salary cap or much less a luxury tax leads to an uncompetitive league.

I think the best solution would be create a salary and a salary cap for X number of scholarships. This money would come from what the universities make from TV deals and ticket sales. It would be more significant than the NIL they currently get and put all the teams on an even playing field. Players could make more on NIL above this but an extra 50k from NIL won't mean much if a school has 20 million that's being divided up between 65 players or whatever.
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You would effectively end many college athletic programs. That 20 million figure "or whatever it is", funds all the non-revenue sports.
NO softball, field hockey, swimming, track, etc............if that money goes only to the scholarship football players.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Yea, some people don't realize that NIL isn't a special rule carved out for college athletes. It's the right of every American to profit from their NIL and the NCAA was illegally restricting college athletes from doing so for decades. Any attempt from the NCAA to limit NIL is going to be met with several legal challenges I think.
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I'm waiting for a class action lawsuit from former college players against the NCAA for this very thing.
 
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utvols74 said:
I'm waiting for a class action lawsuit from former college players against the NCAA for this very thing.
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The only people that would get anything from that would be the lawyers. Even a billion dollar judgment, lawyers would get $500M and each player would get a voucher for a free drink at the next game.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
All an NIL cap would do is reintroduce under the table "funny money". I love NIL because it allows programs more transparency and eliminates the need for shady dealing behind the scenes. The minute a cap is introduced, programs will be working to circumvent it.
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But, is it? I don’t recall seeing any reports of NIL money given to each player. I think that transparency is being proposed by the dumbass Auburn coach - I mean Senator - from Alabama!
 
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utvols74 said:
I'm waiting for a class action lawsuit from former college players against the NCAA for this very thing.
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They already did a few years ago. That's what caused NCAA sports video games to stop being made around 2013. Then after the Supreme Court ruled a couple of years ago, NIL began to be applied.

en.wikipedia.org

O'Bannon v. NCAA - Wikipedia

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www.nytimes.com

N.C.A.A. Settles One Video Game Suit for $20 Million as a Second Begins (Published 2014)

As the Ed O’Bannon case began on Monday, the N.C.A.A. settled another suit involving the use of college athletes’ likenesses in video games.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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Raebo said:
Parity? Do you REALLY want parity? Do you want to average a 6-6 record in the future? That is like saying you would be ok with Vandy beating us half the time. 10-2 would be the best you could hope for and that would be followed by a 2-10 season.
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That's a great though experiment. I guess if I were AL, GA, Ohio State, I'd be pretty happy.

The answer to your question is a resounding 'no', I don't want to be 50-50 with the likes of Vandy or KY, or SC, or MTSU.

It does get old seeing Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Michigan in the CFP Playoffs each year. When it expands to 12, it will probably be the same 10? (add in Florida State, Penn State, Oregon, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Clemson). It's like watching the New England Patriots win the Super Bowl every other year. Same story different year.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Georgia is on their way to winning an unprecedented 3rd straight natty (modern era). Are you SURE it's leveling the playing field?
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Georgia has been lucky. In the past three years they've played almost no-one great. Their best playing would have to be the 4th quarter of the Ohio State game last year during the CFP playoff.
 
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